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Why are US scientific agencies still pushing AGW?

longview said:
What gives you the idea that the GOP's motives are as pure as the driven snow?
The GOP is at best the lesser of two evils.
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This is brillant. Now EVERYONE is against you! LOL
 
vegas giants said:
This is brillant. Now EVERYONE is against you! LOL
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Not at all, but the prediction of some future crises, which can be the basis of additional control and taxes,
is appealing to the political critter types.
The goals may be different but the path is similar.
Remember both liberals and conservatives seem to be willing to restrict peoples freedoms,
in the name of what they believe.
 
longview said:
Not at all, but the prediction of some future crises, which can be the basis of additional control and taxes,
is appealing to the political critter types.
The goals may be different but the path is similar.
Remember both liberals and conservatives seem to be willing to restrict peoples freedoms,
in the name of what they believe.
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If you have no one in politics on your side in this issue you have no political power and will likely continued to be ignored. Your case is hopeless.
 
vegas giants said:
If you have no one in politics on your side in this issue you have no political power and will likely continued to be ignored. Your case is hopeless.
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Hope springs eternal! Science will win out in the end, and Physics is on my side.
The empirical data only supports the low end (non consequential) portion of the IPCC
large range of predictions.
Even if CO2 were a real problem, the solution to our energy problem will solve any
issues with CO2, as a side effect.
 
longview said:
Hope springs eternal! Science will win out in the end, and Physics is on my side.
The empirical data only supports the low end (non consequential) portion of the IPCC
large range of predictions.
Even if CO2 were a real problem, the solution to our energy problem will solve any
issues with CO2, as a side effect.
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Yeah. Hope springs eternal. That is what the CT crowd always says
 
Jack Hays said:
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[h=1]Trump To Steer UN Global Warming Funds To Coal, Gas Projects[/h]Michael Bastasch 12:39 PM 07/14/2017 From The Daily Caller The Trump administration will use its position as a donor to the Green Climate Fund (GCF) to steer money towards coal-fired power plants and natural gas infrastructure, according to an unnamed White House official. President Donald Trump will do his best to use the Obama administration’s…
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Greetings, Jack. :2wave:

So Obama secretly managed to send a total of One BILLION Dollars of taxpayer money to the UN three days before he left office! :thumbdown: Who knew he was doing this, and why was it not announced to the public? We are already paying for the lion's share to keep the UN funded, dammit!

This is a sneaky underhanded slap in the face to everyone who works and dutifully pays taxes, especially when over half of the families in this country are earning less than $30,000 a year and are already struggling paycheck to paycheck! We could have used that money to start rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure that benefits all of us in this country, instead of giving it to the UN to send to those waiting in line to receive some "free money," unknowingly paid for by us! :bs: Enough is enough! This dishonesty disgusts and angers me! :2mad:
 
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katzgar said:
scientists go with the best info available and right wingers are anti knowledge.
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Funny, you just got a boat load of knowledge that you can look up that you probably didn't even know. That makes me A. a right winger, and B. anti knowledge. Riiiight. Suggestion. Try using your critical thinking skills.
 
PirateMk1 said:
Funny, you just got a boat load of knowledge that you can look up that you probably didn't even know. That makes me A. a right winger, and B. anti knowledge. Riiiight. Suggestion. Try using your critical thinking skills.
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Bull pucky
 
PirateMk1 said:
Funny, you just got a boat load of knowledge that you can look up that you probably didn't even know. That makes me A. a right winger, and B. anti knowledge. Riiiight. Suggestion. Try using your critical thinking skills.
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I know you will connvince one science agency on this planet some day....keep the faith....never surrender
 
vegas giants said:
I know you will connvince one science agency on this planet some day....keep the faith....never surrender
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Science is about the data winning out, regardless if it agrees with your political position.
The data is showing that the IPCC's predictions are too high, and that the possible warming from
added CO2 is not of much concern.
 
longview said:
Science is about the data winning out, regardless if it agrees with your political position.
The data is showing that the IPCC's predictions are too high, and that the possible warming from
added CO2 is not of much concern.
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Then I am sure you will win the day. Hang in there
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Why are they still "pushing AGW"? Because the scientific evidence is overwhelming and it's an objective fact. Nothing Trump can say or do can change that.
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Trump and his followers created their own reality and alternate facts.

Coal production is coming back even if other means are cheaper for example.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
It's about rate of change, not absolute value. Yes, the earth does go in cycles, over periods of 10's of thousands of years. We've had thousands of years worth of increased CO2 over just a century and a half of industrialization. It is a fact that burning liquid dinosaurs puts CO2 into the air and that CO2 is a greenhouse gas. It's also important to note that large changes in CO2 over earth's history have had disasterous effects for life on earth.

Burying your head in the sand and saying that no amount of us pumping CO2 into the atmosphere could ever have an effect on the environment and life on earth is disingenuous and ignores the science. Meanwhile we continue to have the hottest years on record one after another.
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Small tiny problem with that theory is A. CO2 has a limiter on it in the form of something called plants and plant life, you might have heard of those. B. CO2 is a fraction of a percent of the total mass of the gas mix we call air, hence for there to be observable, and quantifiable effect would require massive change in the mass fraction of the air mix of CO2. (Note natural sources out strip humans by a very large margin in producing CO2.) C. Thirdly and definitely not least is science cannot possibly tell if the rate change of C02 is NOT normal and part of the normal cycle with anything remotely close to certainty simply because of the coarseness of past data. We have a good idea what normal CO2 levels tend to be and they vary widely from 140ppm to 7000+ppm. That's a fairly wide band not mention the rate changes we are seeing have occurred before as you yourself have pointed out, as best the current state of the science can tell. Last I checked we didn't have any SUV's way back then. We have a good idea of what the range of the normal cycle numbers should be, problem is we are well within range of the channel those numbers form and therefore the climate we have now is for all intents and purposes is normal. For the climate to abnormal the currant climates measurements have to be beyond the current channel to have a reasonable argument to say that there IS a problem A. and B. we might be the cause of it.

I am not burying my head in the sand. I am being skeptical of shoddy "scientific" arguments used to try and impact my life and take my money. Remember way back when the ozone hole was this huge thing and that we have to do something about it. So we had to use different Freon and change out propellants in canned spray products. Well turns out that whole deal was bull****. Fool me once.

By the way the hottest years on record meme is just that a meme. It has no basis in fact. Here something to read. https://thsresearch.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/ef-gast-data-research-report-062717.pdf
 
vegas giants said:
Priceless. I love it.
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Programs continue until they are stopped. The Trump crowd has been slow to get their people into position. I was in/around the US government for over 41 before I retired, and the machinery just keeps going.
 
vegas giants said:
How long now has the GOP controlled funding for these agencies. Now you have even more power and we see not a SINGLE one chnage positions yet? This is hilarious....you are grasping at straws. If in the next three years will you then finally admit it is not all about the money? What will it take? LOL
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You seem to have no clue how your government works.
 
polgara said:
Greetings, Jack. :2wave:

So Obama secretly managed to send a total of One BILLION Dollars of taxpayer money to the UN three days before he left office! :thumbdown: Who knew he was doing this, and why was it not announced to the public? We are already paying for the lion's share to keep the UN funded, dammit!

This is a sneaky underhanded slap in the face to everyone who works and dutifully pays taxes, especially when over half of the families in this country are earning less than $30,000 a year and are already struggling paycheck to paycheck! We could have used that money to start rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure that benefits all of us in this country, instead of giving it to the UN to send to those waiting in line to receive some "free money," unknowingly paid for by us! :bs: Enough is enough! This dishonesty disgusts and angers me! :2mad:
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Greetings, Polgara.:2wave:

The struggle continues.
 
Jack Hays said:
Programs continue until they are stopped. The Trump crowd has been slow to get their people into position. I was in/around the US government for over 41 before I retired, and the machinery just keeps going.
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You do know the GOP has controlled funding before Trump was leected....don't you? How slow are they? LOL
 
Jack Hays said:
You seem to have no clue how your government works.
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Well I have worked in government for decades and have multi million dollar budgets to deal with...but please explain it to me
 
vegas giants said:
How long now has the GOP controlled funding for these agencies. Now you have even more power and we see not a SINGLE one chnage positions yet? This is hilarious....you are grasping at straws. If in the next three years will you then finally admit it is not all about the money? What will it take? LOL
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It IS all about the money, fossil fuel money. It has been pouring into the deniers (GOP) pockets like water for years.

Since the 1990 election cycle, interests from this sector have contributed more than two-thirds of its campaign contributions to Republican candidates. Another big contributor in this sector - and another big GOP supporter - is the electric utilities industry. Less generous, but even more partisan, is the mining industry.
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https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?Ind=E
 
vegas giants said:
You do know the GOP has controlled funding before Trump was leected....don't you? How slow are they? LOL
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vegas giants said:
Well I have worked in government for decades and have multi million dollar budgets to deal with...but please explain it to me
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If your second claim were true you would not have posted such nonsense.

Federal agencies are managed by the Executive Branch, until 20 January 2017 under control of the Dems. While Congress authorizes and appropriates funds, the Executive manages and allocates budgets. You won't see full GOP spending control until FY 2018 begins on 1 October 2017.
 
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