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Central to the global warming computer models is the idea that as CO2 rises so will the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere. It is the water vapor that will cause most of the warming predicted by the models.

So, is water vapor increasing or not? Apparently not. An analysis of weather balloon data over the period from 1948 to 2008 showed that the infrared optical density of the atmosphere (greenhouse effect) stayed the same as CO2 increased. The warming during that time was not due to the greenhouse effect.*

While the moistness of air close to the earth increased during that time the water vapor in the troposphere, where most of the warming is supposed to occur, remained the same or went down. This is closely related to the failure to find a "hot spot" over the equator in the mid troposphere. The water vapor increase that was supposed to cause the hot spot didn't materialize.

While CO2 has continued to increase at a faster rate global temperatures continue to remain flat going on 20 years now. It appears that the feedback mechanism postulated in the climate models isn't working. It goes without saying that if there's no global warming there can be no ill effects from global warming.

So, if water vapor isn't increasing, then why not? It may simply be that precipitation has increased with warming in the tropics, which keeps the water vapor down.

*Energy and Environment 2010;21(4):243.
 
LowDown said:
Central to the global warming computer models is the idea that as CO2 rises so will the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere. It is the water vapor that will cause most of the warming predicted by the models.

So, is water vapor increasing or not? Apparently not. An analysis of weather balloon data over the period from 1948 to 2008 showed that the infrared optical density of the atmosphere (greenhouse effect) stayed the same as CO2 increased. The warming during that time was not due to the greenhouse effect.*

While the moistness of air close to the earth increased during that time the water vapor in the troposphere, where most of the warming is supposed to occur, remained the same or went down. This is closely related to the failure to find a "hot spot" over the equator in the mid troposphere. The water vapor increase that was supposed to cause the hot spot didn't materialize.

While CO2 has continued to increase at a faster rate global temperatures continue to remain flat going on 20 years now. It appears that the feedback mechanism postulated in the climate models isn't working. It goes without saying that if there's no global warming there can be no ill effects from global warming.

So, if water vapor isn't increasing, then why not? It may simply be that precipitation has increased with warming in the tropics, which keeps the water vapor down.

*Energy and Environment 2010;21(4):243.
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20 years is not climate. It's barely even a blip on the radar.
 
LowDown said:
Central to the global warming computer models is the idea that as CO2 rises so will the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere. It is the water vapor that will cause most of the warming predicted by the models.

So, is water vapor increasing or not? Apparently not. An analysis of weather balloon data over the period from 1948 to 2008 showed that the infrared optical density of the atmosphere (greenhouse effect) stayed the same as CO2 increased. The warming during that time was not due to the greenhouse effect.*

While the moistness of air close to the earth increased during that time the water vapor in the troposphere, where most of the warming is supposed to occur, remained the same or went down. This is closely related to the failure to find a "hot spot" over the equator in the mid troposphere. The water vapor increase that was supposed to cause the hot spot didn't materialize.

While CO2 has continued to increase at a faster rate global temperatures continue to remain flat going on 20 years now. It appears that the feedback mechanism postulated in the climate models isn't working. It goes without saying that if there's no global warming there can be no ill effects from global warming.

So, if water vapor isn't increasing, then why not? It may simply be that precipitation has increased with warming in the tropics, which keeps the water vapor down.

*Energy and Environment 2010;21(4):243.
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Last night humidity rose massively here.
 
LowDown said:
Central to the global warming computer models is the idea that as CO2 rises so will the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere. It is the water vapor that will cause most of the warming predicted by the models.

So, is water vapor increasing or not? Apparently not. An analysis of weather balloon data over the period from 1948 to 2008 showed that the infrared optical density of the atmosphere (greenhouse effect) stayed the same as CO2 increased. The warming during that time was not due to the greenhouse effect.*

While the moistness of air close to the earth increased during that time the water vapor in the troposphere, where most of the warming is supposed to occur, remained the same or went down. This is closely related to the failure to find a "hot spot" over the equator in the mid troposphere. The water vapor increase that was supposed to cause the hot spot didn't materialize.

While CO2 has continued to increase at a faster rate global temperatures continue to remain flat going on 20 years now. It appears that the feedback mechanism postulated in the climate models isn't working. It goes without saying that if there's no global warming there can be no ill effects from global warming.

So, if water vapor isn't increasing, then why not? It may simply be that precipitation has increased with warming in the tropics, which keeps the water vapor down.

*Energy and Environment 2010;21(4):243.
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That's what the pundits get when they try to spin modeled outputs as fact.
 
rocket88 said:
20 years is not climate. It's barely even a blip on the radar.
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It may be just a blip, but the greenhouse effect is supposed to have decreased the IR transparency by a measurable amount.
 
Lord of Planar said:
It may be just a blip, but the greenhouse effect is supposed to have decreased the IR transparency by a measurable amount.
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True. The science involved is new enough that things get pushed to the front too soon.
 
LowDown said:
Central to the global warming computer models is the idea that as CO2 rises so will the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere. It is the water vapor that will cause most of the warming predicted by the models.

So, is water vapor increasing or not? Apparently not. An analysis of weather balloon data over the period from 1948 to 2008 showed that the infrared optical density of the atmosphere (greenhouse effect) stayed the same as CO2 increased. The warming during that time was not due to the greenhouse effect.*

While the moistness of air close to the earth increased during that time the water vapor in the troposphere, where most of the warming is supposed to occur, remained the same or went down. This is closely related to the failure to find a "hot spot" over the equator in the mid troposphere. The water vapor increase that was supposed to cause the hot spot didn't materialize.

While CO2 has continued to increase at a faster rate global temperatures continue to remain flat going on 20 years now. It appears that the feedback mechanism postulated in the climate models isn't working. It goes without saying that if there's no global warming there can be no ill effects from global warming.

So, if water vapor isn't increasing, then why not? It may simply be that precipitation has increased with warming in the tropics, which keeps the water vapor down.

*Energy and Environment 2010;21(4):243.
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Ah, Energy and Environment. The incredibly low impact journal that mostly exists to get deniers to publish their bad science in.

They actually threatened to sue a group who criticized their peer review process.... usually in science, one would want to respond to criticism by examining the validity of a claim...

E&E threatens a libel suit « RealClimate
 
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