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Second hottest May on record

Actually, if the sun remains on it's predicted path of cooling, we should see cooler temperatures in some later year. How long the lag time will be is hard for me to speculate though.

Whatever, the sun doesn't have near the effect as an inert gas with less than 0.05% of the atmospheric composition. THAT is the REAL driver of climate change, 0.05% of a single gas. That big ball of space plasma? Meh, doesn't matter in the least what it does.
 
Whatever, the sun doesn't have near the effect as an inert gas with less than 0.05% of the atmospheric composition. THAT is the REAL driver of climate change, 0.05% of a single gas. That big ball of space plasma? Meh, doesn't matter in the least what it does.
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Somewhere around 135mg of cyanide is a toxic dose for for a 200 pound (90kg) human.

That's roughly 0.00015% of the mass of a human being.

The status of CO2 as inert in the atmosphere is irrelevant. It doesn't need to interact with the rest of the atmosphere, because what it's doing is helping trap heat radiation in the earth's atmosphere. You do understand what the term "inert" means, yes?

And as noted above, there isn't a viable correlation between solar cycles and global temperatures.

I.e. smugness backed up by ignorance does not help your position.
 
Or, there may not be a viable correlation between global temperatures and solar cycles for about a century now.

I'm sure one of us can find a more detailed explanation / paper on how global temperatures aren't being affected strongly by the solar cycle.

temp-versus-solar-activity.png

Wow. There must be something else driving up temperatures over the last few decades.

I wonder what it could be? [emoji849]
 
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Somewhere around 135mg of cyanide is a toxic dose for for a 200 pound (90kg) human.

That's roughly 0.00015% of the mass of a human being.

The status of CO2 as inert in the atmosphere is irrelevant. It doesn't need to interact with the rest of the atmosphere, because what it's doing is helping trap heat radiation in the earth's atmosphere. You do understand what the term "inert" means, yes?

And as noted above, there isn't a viable correlation between solar cycles and global temperatures.

I.e. smugness backed up by ignorance does not help your position.

Yes there is a viable correlation. It's just one that climate, changes deniers refuse to look at. Give it a few years and things should start being clear. I am eagerly awaiting the day AGW suffers the same implosion Eugenics did.
 
Yes there is a viable correlation. It's just one that climate, changes deniers refuse to look at. Give it a few years and things should start being clear. I am eagerly awaiting the day AGW suffers the same implosion Eugenics did.

I bet you were saying the same thing five years ago. And ten years ago. And fifteen. And twenty.

Really- it's gotta be a terrible experience to be continually wrong.
 
I bet you were saying the same thing five years ago. And ten years ago. And fifteen. And twenty.

Really- it's gotta be a terrible experience to be continually wrong.

Not at all, 20 years ago I still had faith people weren't dumb enough to fall for the idiocy of "OMG GLOBAL WARMING", now I'm a cynic.
 
Not at all, 20 years ago I still had faith people weren't dumb enough to fall for the idiocy of "OMG GLOBAL WARMING", now I'm a cynic.

Nice to see empirical evidence hasn't impinged upon your ideology.

It looks like you apply that logic to most of your beliefs.
 
Nice to see empirical evidence hasn't impinged upon your ideology.

It looks like you apply that logic to most of your beliefs.

The empirical is driving my cynicism. The pause reinforced it.
 
You mean the pause that made something like 18 of the last 20 years the warmest ever recorded?

You really make a good tool for the denial industry.

Like I said earlier, every year is gonna be "warmer" because the politics of the movement demand it to be.
 
You mean the pause that made something like 18 of the last 20 years the warmest ever recorded?

You really make a good tool for the denial industry.

When I was stationed up in Maine, one of our 1st classes had a house just off the base. Big yard. He went on a crusade to prove our monitoring station was being effected by UHI effect. He bought the parts and built his own little monitoring station, all according to specs.

The one at Brunswick was in a patch of grass, see pick below I circled it. He argued it was too close to the pavement. His personal station was in his yard, with nothing but trees and an open space where it was.

For one year he made a log, and then he compared it to the official log.

His log showed on average 2-4 degrees cooler, with a bigger difference at night. We did try to get it moved based on that however it hadn't occurred while I was there. Those are official numbers, loaded into the synoptic models and used for "official" stats. This is the sort of stuff people like myself are aware of, having been part of the collection and processing of data. You, an untrained not-in-the-field sort of internet activist have no idea what's really going on.

Feel free to do the usual song and dance about how it really isn't significant... that's "adjusted for" or whatever nonsense you come up with. 4.jpg
https://militarybases.co/directory/nas-brunswick-navy-base-in-brunswick-me/
 
When I was stationed up in Maine, one of our 1st classes had a house just off the base. Big yard. He went on a crusade to prove our monitoring station was being effected by UHI effect. He bought the parts and built his own little monitoring station, all according to specs.

The one at Brunswick was in a patch of grass, see pick below I circled it. He argued it was too close to the pavement. His personal station was in his yard, with nothing but trees and an open space where it was.

For one year he made a log, and then he compared it to the official log.

His log showed on average 2-4 degrees cooler, with a bigger difference at night. We did try to get it moved based on that however it hadn't occurred while I was there. Those are official numbers, loaded into the synoptic models and used for "official" stats. This is the sort of stuff people like myself are aware of, having been part of the collection and processing of data. You, an untrained not-in-the-field sort of internet activist have no idea what's really going on. Him

Feel free to do the usual song and dance about how it really isn't significant... that's "adjusted for" or whatever nonsense you come up with. View attachment 67218976
https://militarybases.co/directory/nas-brunswick-navy-base-in-brunswick-me/

So you're saying it could be even warmer than we think because the data might be bad.

Oh, wait... the data is only wrong when it befits your ideology!

This issue has been looked at a bunch of times, the funniest instance was when Mueller, a denier, looked at it and was supported by fellow deniers, until his research showed it wasn't an issue. The pdeniers dropped him like a rock!
 
Yes there is a viable correlation.
Uh... No, there isn't -- nor did you provide even the tiniest scrap of evidence to back up your position. Again, solar activity and global temperatures since 1880:

temp-versus-solar-activity.png


70 years of divergence does not fall in the category of a "viable correlation."

...and of course, a little bit of research never hurt. You could start with this:
http://solar-center.stanford.edu/sun-on-earth/Solar Influences on Climate-2009RG000282.pdf


It's just one that climate, changes deniers refuse to look at.
*bzzt* wrong, it's an active topic of research, as 30 seconds on Google Scholar should demonstrate.

1,830 articles just for "solar cycle" climate change since 2016:
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?...te+change&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=1,31&as_ylo=2016
 
So you're saying it could be even warmer than we think because the data might be bad.

Oh, wait... the data is only wrong when it befits your ideology!

This issue has been looked at a bunch of times, the funniest instance was when Mueller, a denier, looked at it and was supported by fellow deniers, until his research showed it wasn't an issue. The pdeniers dropped him like a rock!

I'm explaining to you why I find the "HOTTEST TEMP" stuff to be... laughable.
 
When I was stationed up in Maine, one of our 1st classes had a house just off the base. Big yard. He went on a crusade to prove our monitoring station was being effected by UHI effect. He bought the parts and built his own little monitoring station, all according to specs.

The one at Brunswick was in a patch of grass, see pick below I circled it. He argued it was too close to the pavement. His personal station was in his yard, with nothing but trees and an open space where it was.

For one year he made a log, and then he compared it to the official log.

His log showed on average 2-4 degrees cooler, with a bigger difference at night. We did try to get it moved based on that however it hadn't occurred while I was there. Those are official numbers, loaded into the synoptic models and used for "official" stats. This is the sort of stuff people like myself are aware of, having been part of the collection and processing of data. You, an untrained not-in-the-field sort of internet activist have no idea what's really going on.

Feel free to do the usual song and dance about how it really isn't significant... that's "adjusted for" or whatever nonsense you come up with. View attachment 67218976
https://militarybases.co/directory/nas-brunswick-navy-base-in-brunswick-me/

Yeah, I expect that when you cut down all the trees for a few square miles the temperature will go up.

https://www.airnav.com/airport/KBXM

says that's an 8000 foot runway
 
Climate News
[h=1]2017 Global temperatures are leveling off – near 1980 temperature anomaly (depending on who you ask)[/h]From the “dashed hopes for the warmest year evar!” department comes this update from Dr. Ryan Maue on the global surface temperature: Via Twitter: Global temperatures have generally settled to +0.26°C compared to 1981-2010 climatology continuing downward glide thru 2017 (black line) He adds: Tropical vs. non-tropical temperature anomalies have balanced out mostly for the…
 
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[h=1]Thus It Begins[/h]Guest essay by David Archibald Back in late April, European wine growers were hit by the most damaging frost since 1991. That frost affected vines as far south as Tuscany. More recently it is the western Corn Belt that has been affected by late Spring frost. The following two figures show damage to crops from…
 
[h=2]On Sunday, Goulburn got colder than the BOM thought was possible (and a raw data record was “adjusted”).[/h]
The BOM got caught this week auto-adjusting cold extremes to be less cold. Lance Pidgeon of the unofficial BOM audit team noticed that the thermometer at Goulburn airport recorded – 10.4°C at 6.17am on Sunday morning, but the official BOM climate records said it was -10.0°C. (What’s the point of that decimal place?) This was a new record for Goulburn in July. (The previous coldest ever July morning was -9.1°C. Though there had been a colder day in Goulburn in August 1994 when it reached -10.9°C). Since colder temperatures have already been recorded in Goulburn, who thought it was a good idea to trim all future minus 10s as if they were automatically “spurious”?
Yesterday, the BOM have acknowledged the error and at first deleted the -10.0 figure, replacing it with a blank space. Then today, after Jennifer Marohasy’s post, they’ve corrected it.
You might think a half degree between friends is not that significant, but this opens a whole can of worms in so many ways — what are these “limits”, do they apply equally to the high side records, who set them, how long has this being going on, and where are they published? Are the limits on the high temperatures set this close to previously recorded temperatures? How many times have raw records been automatically truncated?
[h=3]This raises questions about what is “raw” data?[/h]Perhaps most importantly, Jennifer Marohasy, I and the whole BOM audit team had been told that the Climate Data Online (CDO) represented real raw temperatures. Now apparently it does not. Raw is not necessarily raw it seems, but pre-adjusted and possibly by unpublished, unknown methods? The CDO data is the only data that matters for long term climate studies. To a scientist, shouldn’t the real raw data be kind of sacred?
Marohasy uses a simple plot of minimum temperatures recorded at Goulburn and a normal curve to show that the BOM choice of -10.0 would be expected to cut off normal real raw measurements.


Who knew that they had set up “limits” on thermometer readings to filter out the “spurious” extremes?
This is yet another way to bias the long term so-called “raw” climate data. Thanks to a belief in Man-Made-Global-Warming, researchers might have a mindset that temperatures can only naturally break records on the high side, so they may have set asymmetrical high and low limits. There’s no way to know until the BOM provides the details. But if the if the top-end limit is set at 52C, while the bottom end limit is set at -10 — a temperature that have already been recorded in recent history — this would be, yet another, artificial bias. High end noise might be considered “real” while low end real data might be considered “spurious”.
Where are these methods published, or is it another secret process?




 
Looks like the data is in, and May was the second hottest on record, exceeded only by 2016.

HotWhopper: Second hottest May on record

I guess i can add that April was also the second hottest April on record.

Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet: April 2017 was second-warmest April on record

Oh. And March.. also the second hottest.

March Was Second Hottest on Record Globally | Climate Central

That followed February, also the... well.. you get the picture.

Global Heat Continues With Second-Hottest February | Climate Central

Of course, since its only the runner up, that must mean the earth is cooling! Amirite, deniers?

Fake News :2razz:
 
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