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So what if man is speeding up global warming?

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We know, for a 100% fact climate change existed before man, will exist as long as man exists, and we have evidence of it predating industrialization.

However, maybe CO2 omissions are making it happen faster.

I'll try to keep my mind open but given the premise, I don't give a ****. Please liberals, incentive me to care.
We cannot stop climate change, however, we can slow it.

Why should we care about slowing an unstoppable force?
 
whateverdude said:
We know, for a 100% fact climate change existed before man, will exist as long as man exists, and we have evidence of it predating industrialization.

However, maybe CO2 omissions are making it happen faster.

I'll try to keep my mind open but given the premise, I don't give a ****. Please liberals, incentive me to care.
We cannot stop climate change, however, we can slow it.

Why should we care about slowing an unstoppable force?
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If mankind is capable of speeding it up , it has the ability to slow it down.
 
In order to stop global warming, the world would have to return to the pre-technical age and reduce the population of the earth by about half...that ain't gonna happen...
 
Elvira said:
In order to stop global warming, the world would have to return to the pre-technical age and reduce the population of the earth by about half...that ain't gonna happen...
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Strawman.
 
If we slow it down, or at least don't speed it up, it gives us more time to develope the technology we will need to adapt to the changing world.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
If mankind is capable of speeding it up , it has the ability to slow it down.
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So do we know what the prefered pace of it is?

Skeptic Bob said:
If we slow it down, or at least don't speed it up, it gives us more time to develope the technology we will need to adapt to the changing world.
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What exactly are we lacking?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
If mankind is capable of speeding it up , it has the ability to slow it down.
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Slow it down, yes...but to what end? The population continues to grow, life goes on, and so does global warming...it will take a power much stronger than man's to make a difference...a lasting difference...
 
Skeptic Bob said:
If we slow it down, or at least don't speed it up, it gives us more time to develope the technology we will need to adapt to the changing world.
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You realize the biggest aggressors against climate are already way behind the US technologically speaking and as such it would take even longer (too long by most Climate "scientists" standards) anyway?

Like short of the mass genocide of the third world, if the projection are correct, we're dead anyway.
 
Elvira said:
Slow it down, yes...but to what end? The population continues to grow, life goes on, and so does global warming...it will take a power much stronger than man's to make a difference...a lasting difference...
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Time for adaptation and thus a reduction of damage. That's a lasting difference.
 
whateverdude said:
We know, for a 100% fact climate change existed before man, will exist as long as man exists, and we have evidence of it predating industrialization.

However, maybe CO2 omissions are making it happen faster.

I'll try to keep my mind open but given the premise, I don't give a ****. Please liberals, incentive me to care.
We cannot stop climate change, however, we can slow it.

Why should we care about slowing an unstoppable force?
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Seeing as how the ramifications of climate change are incredibly complex and difficult to predict, I'd suggest we minimize our impact as much as possible. After all, shouldn't we be hesitant about fiddling with dials we don't understand?

Or, more simply put: if climate change is bad, surely we want less of a bad thing.

The black and white stance makes no sense. Nor does "well it has happened in the past without us." Of course it has happened before we got here. Ask the dinosaurs about that one.
 
Elvira said:
Slow it down, yes...but to what end? The population continues to grow, life goes on, and so does global warming...it will take a power much stronger than man's to make a difference...a lasting difference...
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That's a good point, how are we gonna reduce our consumption without reducing the population
 
Koke said:
You realize the biggest aggressors against climate are already way behind the US technologically speaking and as such it would take even longer (too long by most Climate "scientists" standards) anyway?

Like short of the mass genocide of the third world, if the projection are correct, we're dead anyway.
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Well, I wouldn't expect the technological innovations I am talking about to come from those countries.
 
ecofarm said:
Time for adaptation and thus a reduction of damage. That's a lasting difference.
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Okay... If we can do that without changing anything about our current lifestyles, the rate of production, economic growth, and without having to consume less... then okay.

But I'm sorry, I'm not changing how much meat I eat and how often I drive. I'm not making any sacrifices for the planet personally
 
whateverdude said:
That's a good point, how are we gonna reduce our consumption without reducing the population
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Not gonna happen unless the whole world adopts a policy like China...no more than 2 children per couple...and that ain't gonna happen...

All these global warming reduction theories sound good on paper but try putting them into action...
 
I mean exactly man! Its all just whatever dude
 
Deuce said:
Seeing as how the ramifications of climate change are incredibly complex and difficult to predict, I'd suggest we minimize our impact as much as possible. After all, shouldn't we be hesitant about fiddling with dials we don't understand?

Or, more simply put: if climate change is bad, surely we want less of a bad thing.

The black and white stance makes no sense. Nor does "well it has happened in the past without us." Of course it has happened before we got here. Ask the dinosaurs about that one.
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I think it's hilarious to think we as humans make this much a difference.
And odds, are in a couple million years, we WILL end up like the dinosaurs
 
whateverdude said:
Okay... If we can do that without changing anything about our current lifestyles, the rate of production, economic growth, and without having to consume less... then okay.

But I'm sorry, I'm not changing how much meat I eat and how often I drive. I'm not making any sacrifices for the planet personally
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Yes, yes, we all want things to be better without actually having to do anything to make them better. You don't care what harm you cause to others, your personal convenience is paramount.

You can't have a unicorn. Maybe some day you'll be old enough to understand that.
 
whateverdude said:
That's a good point, how are we gonna reduce our consumption without reducing the population
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Even more -- when you export aid to foreign countries where infant mortality rate is very high (so they attempt to have a lot of children) and then more of those children start to live, you get a population boom. The projected population boom of Africa in the next 50 years is absolutely insane, for example.

Also doesn't help when you import people from the third world (a place with a relatively small carbon footprint) and plop them in the first world (a place with a relatively high carbon footprint) and those people, on average, have many more children than the native population.

The "progressive" agenda here makes no sense to me and frankly contradicts itself.
 
whateverdude said:
Okay... If we can do that without changing anything about our current lifestyles, the rate of production, economic growth, and without having to consume less... then okay.

But I'm sorry, I'm not changing how much meat I eat and how often I drive. I'm not making any sacrifices for the planet personally
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Someday, hopefully, your life will be about more than just you.
 
Deuce said:
Yes, yes, we all want things to be better without actually having to do anything to make them better. You don't care what harm you cause to others, your personal convenience is paramount.

You can't have a unicorn. Maybe some day you'll be old enough to understand that.
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I'm just being honest. I doubt seriously anyone here is willing to dramatically alter their life in the name of stopping climate change.
I doubt that 1 in 50 people would go as far as eating less meat.
I'm just being real

And it's not just "my life" it's everyones life. It's peoples quality of life, it's the economy, jobs, etc. Most people aren't gonna things like jobs or economics for the environment
 
whateverdude said:
I think it's hilarious to think we as humans make this much a difference.
And odds, are in a couple million years, we WILL end up like the dinosaurs
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I think it's hilarious that you think you can handwave the entire concept because your gut says it wont be a significant problem, or that we can't have a significant impact. We've increased the CO2 levels in the atmosphere by 40% in about a century.

But hey, as long as your gut says we're fine, I'll handwave decades of research from actual scientists. I mean, you did some math to support this right?

Oh... you didn't, did you?
 
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