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So what if man is speeding up global warming?

Deuce said:
I think it's hilarious that you think you can handwave the entire concept because your gut says it wont be a significant problem, or that we can't have a significant impact. We've increased the CO2 levels in the atmosphere by 40% in about a century.

But hey, as long as your gut says we're fine, I'll handwave decades of research from actual scientists. I mean, you did some math to support this right?

Oh... you didn't, did you?
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I mean, we're gonna die anyway. We're all gonna die. My gut says we're doomed and we should do coke and party till it's over
 
whateverdude said:
you hold out on a violent diety to destroy the world?
Cthulhu 2020
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Not the earth but those who are destroying the earth...yes...I can do my share of being a steward of the earth but my part only goes so far...

God is not violent btw...He's given many warnings and man continues to ignore Him...if you had a rental property and the tenants continued to abuse and destroy it, what would you do? Would you not evict them?
 
whateverdude said:
We know, for a 100% fact climate change existed before man, will exist as long as man exists, and we have evidence of it predating industrialization.

However, maybe CO2 omissions are making it happen faster.

I'll try to keep my mind open but given the premise, I don't give a ****. Please liberals, incentive me to care.
We cannot stop climate change, however, we can slow it.

Why should we care about slowing an unstoppable force?
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Because if the climate changes faster than our environment and everything in it can adapt, we all die.
 
Elvira said:
Not the earth but those who are destroying the earth...yes...I can do my share of being a steward of the earth but my part only goes so far...

God is not violent btw...He's given many warnings and man continues to ignore Him...if you had a rental property and the tenants continued to abuse and destroy it, what would you do? Would you not evict them?
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Well if I had rental property, I would give people the option to rent it. I wouldn't force people onto my rental property with no option to leave and then get pissed off when people don't respect it
 
whateverdude said:
Well if I had rental property, I would give people the option to rent it. I wouldn't force people onto my rental property with no option to leave and then get pissed off when people don't respect it
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Well i guess you can leave any time you want if you don't like it here...lol...
 
whateverdude said:
I mean, we're gonna die anyway. We're all gonna die. My gut says we're doomed and we should do coke and party till it's over
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You should get working on that, then. Predictably, when challenged on each point you immediately run to a new goalpost. Now it's "eh, doesn't matter."

It doesn't matter, so I assume you'll stop posting about it forever.
 
whateverdude said:
We know, for a 100% fact climate change existed before man, will exist as long as man exists, and we have evidence of it predating industrialization.

However, maybe CO2 omissions are making it happen faster.

I'll try to keep my mind open but given the premise, I don't give a ****. Please liberals, incentive me to care.
We cannot stop climate change, however, we can slow it.

Why should we care about slowing an unstoppable force?
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1) it's not unstoppable, it's man made.

2) this man made warming is happening much much faster than any natural occurrence.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
If mankind is capable of speeding it up , it has the ability to slow it down.
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Theres no evidence whatsoever for that, only a load of subjective politicized speculation. This isn't about controlling climate its about controlling people. Why else do you think its always the politicians espousing certainties and absolutes loudest on an issue where there aren't any ? :(

Well done Trump I say for calling it out for what it really is. I doubt I'll ever agree with him on anything else ever again frankly
 
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The earth has the ability to heal itself, and filter out the damage we caused. The problem isn't that we are destroying it, it's that we are overwhelming its ability to right itself. 40 years after the last human dies, the earth will be right as rain. If we stopped overwhelming the earth, and found ways to aid its natural filter systems we could reverse the damage we've already caused.

I refuse to accept that we can't be the holders of our own destiny. All it takes is teamwork, effort, and a solid goal. And the great part is, we can make money doing it once we are off the fossil fuel teat. It's like a drug, and we are junkies, getting clean will be the hardest thing we ever do. But it will be worth it. Ask any recovered junkie...
 
It's all hubris.
Hubris to think we're in control of nature.
The Political Left denies the existence of God, and then deigns to play God.
The God Complex of a godless group of monomaniacal nitwits.
 
ThoughtEx. said:
The earth has the ability to heal itself, and filter out the damage we caused. The problem isn't that we are destroying it, it's that we are overwhelming its ability to right itself. 40 years after the last human dies, the earth will be right as rain. If we stopped overwhelming the earth, and found ways to aid its natural filter systems we could reverse the damage we've already caused.

I refuse to accept that we can't be the holders of our own destiny. All it takes is teamwork, effort, and a solid goal. And the great part is, we can make money doing it once we are off the fossil fuel teat. It's like a drug, and we are junkies, getting clean will be the hardest thing we ever do. But it will be worth it. Ask any recovered junkie...
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For the last 800,000 years earth has spent about 80% of it's time in a glacial period, roughly 80,000 years of cold and 20,000 inter glacial.
If we start moving mack into to an ice age, as we surly will at some point, there is little humanity can do except adapt.
 
whateverdude said:
We know, for a 100% fact climate change existed before man, will exist as long as man exists, and we have evidence of it predating industrialization.

However, maybe CO2 omissions are making it happen faster.

I'll try to keep my mind open but given the premise, I don't give a ****. Please liberals, incentive me to care.
We cannot stop climate change, however, we can slow it.

Why should we care about slowing an unstoppable force?
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As China laughs .................. :roll:
 
Skeptic Bob said:
If we slow it down, or at least don't speed it up, it gives us more time to develope the technology we will need to adapt to the changing world.
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http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/UAH_LT_1979_thru_April_2017_v6.jpg

From the peak in 1980 to the peak in 1998, 18 years, the increase was about .45 degrees: .025 degrees per year on average.

From the peak in 1998 to the peak in 2016, the end of the next 18 year cycle, the increase was a much slower .05 degrees: .0028 degrees per year

"Slow down" has been accomplished! No need to worry!
 
Koke said:
You realize the biggest aggressors against climate are already way behind the US technologically speaking and as such it would take even longer (too long by most Climate "scientists" standards) anyway?

Like short of the mass genocide of the third world, if the projection are correct, we're dead anyway.
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Luckily, the projections in the majority have been shown to be hogwash.
 
code1211 said:
http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/UAH_LT_1979_thru_April_2017_v6.jpg

From the peak in 1980 to the peak in 1998, 18 years, the increase was about .45 degrees: .025 degrees per year on average.

From the peak in 1998 to the peak in 2016, the end of the next 18 year cycle, the increase was a much slower .05 degrees: .0028 degrees per year

"Slow down" has been accomplished! No need to worry!
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Why would one use outliers to determine a long term average when there is actually a pretty good 35 year record to see directly that shows continuous substantial warming?

Oh, right. Dishonest deniers.
 
ecofarm said:
Time for adaptation and thus a reduction of damage. That's a lasting difference.
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I've heard various estimates of the length of time needed for the CO2 in the atmosphere to reduce by natural means.

These seem to go up to 100 years if memory serves.

By the time the current levels reduce, the advance of technology will have replaced fossil fuels with less expensive, more convenient alternatives.

No need for a massive governmental interference.
 
Deuce said:
Seeing as how the ramifications of climate change are incredibly complex and difficult to predict, I'd suggest we minimize our impact as much as possible. After all, shouldn't we be hesitant about fiddling with dials we don't understand?

Or, more simply put: if climate change is bad, surely we want less of a bad thing.

The black and white stance makes no sense. Nor does "well it has happened in the past without us." Of course it has happened before we got here. Ask the dinosaurs about that one.
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So, you are saying that we have no idea what to do or what the impact will be, but we need to act quickly?

This is a perfect description of the Climate Change zealots prescriptions.
 
whateverdude said:
Okay... If we can do that without changing anything about our current lifestyles, the rate of production, economic growth, and without having to consume less... then okay.

But I'm sorry, I'm not changing how much meat I eat and how often I drive. I'm not making any sacrifices for the planet personally
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The planet will provide the same concern for us. It always has.
 
Deuce said:
Yes, yes, we all want things to be better without actually having to do anything to make them better. You don't care what harm you cause to others, your personal convenience is paramount.

You can't have a unicorn. Maybe some day you'll be old enough to understand that.
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So unicorns were driven to extinction by the activities of man?
 
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