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Onging alarmism about sea level rise without substence.

longview said:
Straw man alert!
We are discussing the sea level rise.
I know it is difficult, but do try and stay on topic.
So one group finds that the sea level rise is accelerating at 0.01 mm/y^2 in the last 200 years,
another group says , if they make some adjustments to 8 years in a 25 year record,
they can show and acceleration of 0.08mm/y^2.
Who is to be believed, the people who analyzed the long term adjusted data,
or the people who made adjustments to a short record to try and demonstrate a trend?
Consider the core of the new papers argument is that "IF" specific volcanic activity and ENSO had
not occurred, then, the sea level would have really been the adjusted number.
The reality is that the sea levels were what they were, and volcano's and El Nino's do occur.
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Please inform the expert oceanographers about your findings.

http://dels.nas.edu/resources/stati...taining_Ocean_Obs_Report_Highlights_final.pdf
 
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Jack Hays said:

[h=1]Tales of the Adjustocene: Satellite Sea Level Edition[/h]Guest post by David Middleton When the observations don’t match the models, adjust the observations… Satellite snafu masked true sea-level rise for decades Revised tallies confirm that the rate of sea-level rise is accelerating as the Earth warms and ice sheets thaw. Jeff Tollefson 17 July 2017 The numbers didn’t add up. Even as Earth grew…

July 17, 2017 in Adjustments/Corrections, Sea level.
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Yeah, we know.

It’s a conspiracy.
 
Threegoofs said:
Yeah, we know.

It’s a conspiracy.
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I guess you hope that using the word "conspiracy" will somehow help you. It won't.
It's not a conspiracy, just an unthinking abandonment of the ethics of science, valuing advocacy over inquiry.
 
Jack Hays said:
I guess you hope that using the word "conspiracy" will somehow help you. It won't.
It's not a conspiracy, just an unthinking abandonment of the ethics of science, valuing advocacy over inquiry.
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Please inform the worlds preeminent scientific organizations about your findings.

But...I gotta be straight with you...they generally don’t listen to conspiracy theories.
 
SirGareth said:
There are no "records" There are only "adjusted estimates"

The language of this "science" fraud is as corrupt as the people who practice it.
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Or in other words the various releases put out by Colorado University's Sea Level Group
are worthless. Well yes, they are so much meaningless BS and have been since they
began in 1992.
 
Steve Case said:
Or in other words the various releases put out by Colorado University's Sea Level Group
are worthless. Well yes, they are so much meaningless BS and have been since they
began in 1992.
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If people would simply begin to use the limited faculties most of them have they would quickly determine:

1) There are no "records" for the the average temperature of the Earth or the IQ of leftists and other socialist climate cult losers who post here.

2) While we can make "estimates" for the average IQ of these people there will always be variances depending on how the past and present "estimates" are toyed with.

3) For instance, I have estimated that the IQ of leftist used to be much higher, even achieving parity with the estimated average temperature of the Earth, but we are now facing a crisis called "Leftist dimming" brought on by the Lame-stream News media.

4) Catastrophic brain freeze is now endemic among Hollywood glitterati, academia, and Democrats and its getting much much worse as the tippling point has been exceeded even before Al Gore got his famous "chakra release"
 
SirGareth said:
If people would simply begin to use the limited faculties most of them have they would quickly determine:

1) There are no "records" for the the average temperature of the Earth or the IQ of leftists and other socialist climate cult losers who post here.

2) While we can make "estimates" for the average IQ of these people there will always be variances depending on how the past and present "estimates" are toyed with.

3) For instance, I have estimated that the IQ of leftist used to be much higher, even achieving parity with the estimated average temperature of the Earth, but we are now facing a crisis called "Leftist dimming" brought on by the Lame-stream News media.

4) Catastrophic brain freeze is now endemic among Hollywood glitterati, academia, and Democrats and its getting much much worse as the tippling point has been exceeded even before Al Gore got his famous "chakra release"
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I suppose I should be amused
 
Steve Case said:
I suppose I should be amused
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Yes you should be. If you aren't, then you don't have the big picture.

Antarctic and Greenland ice is not "melting" as one of your sorry linked articles from the socialist media maintains.

More ice accumulates on each continent annually than melts, and sea levels are not very easy to assess when nothing much is happening with them.

It's a tempest in a teapot.

Yes, there is delta silting, coastal erosion, continental rebound, vulcanism, and plate tectonics which create more sea level change than icebergs sliding off continents that are simply carrying far more ice than they can currently maintain.

I suggest you worry about something more important, like which teat Cleopatra offered to her asp.
 
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SirGareth said:
Yes you should be, if you aren't you don't have the big picture.
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Is black and white OK?

SirGareth said:
Antarctic and Greenland ice is not "melting" as one of your sorry linked articles from the socialist media maintains.
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Yes, I know, the temperature in Greenland and Antarctica
is well below freezing nearly everywhere nearly all the time.

SirGareth said:
More ice accumulates on each continent annually than melts,
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Of course, see above it's below freezing there, all of the time.

SirGareth said:
and sea levels are not very easy to assess when nothing much is happening with them.
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Which is why it's easy to lie about it.

SirGareth said:
It's a tempest in a teapot.
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Maybe so but it generates grant money.

SirGareth said:
Yes, there is coastal erosion and plate tectonics which create more sea level change than icebergs sliding off continents that are carrying far more ice they that can maintain.
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Ice bergs sliding of continents are replaced by snow falling on those continents.

SirGareth said:
I suggest you worry about something more important, like which teat Cleopatra offered to her asp.
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Only if I can see it on the You Tube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-jWF1FK4WA
 
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[h=2]Sea level rise acceleration (or not): Part IV – Satellite era record[/h][FONT=&quot]Posted on February 17, 2018 | 74 comments[/FONT]
by Judith Curry
Part IV of the Climate Etc. series on sea level rise focuses on the satellite era (since 1993), including the recent causes of sea level variations and arguments regarding the acceleration (or not) of recent sea level rise.
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Lots of excellent data in this one.

". . . At best, the determination and attribution of global-mean sea-level change lies at the very edge of knowledge and technology. Both systematic and random errors are of concern, the former particularly, because of the changes in technology and sampling methods over the many decades, the latter from the very great spatial and temporal variability. It remains possible that the database is insufficient to compute mean sea-level trends with the accuracy necessary to discuss the impact of global warming – as disappointing as this conclusion may be. The priority has to be to make such calculations possible in the future. . . ."
 
Jack Hays said:
[h=2]Sea level rise acceleration (or not): Part IV – Satellite era record[/h][FONT="][FONT=inherit]Posted on[/FONT] [URL="https://judithcurry.com/2018/02/17/sea-level-rise-acceleration-or-not-part-iv-satellite-era-record/"]February 17, 2018[/URL] | 74 comments[/FONT]
by Judith Curry
Part IV of the Climate Etc. series on sea level rise focuses on the satellite era (since 1993), including the recent causes of sea level variations and arguments regarding the acceleration (or not) of recent sea level rise.
Continue reading →

Lots of excellent data in this one.

". . . At best, the determination and attribution of global-mean sea-level change lies at the very edge of knowledge and technology. Both systematic and random errors are of concern, the former particularly, because of the changes in technology and sampling methods over the many decades, the latter from the very great spatial and temporal variability. It remains possible that the database is insufficient to compute mean sea-level trends with the accuracy necessary to discuss the impact of global warming – as disappointing as this conclusion may be. The priority has to be to make such calculations possible in the future. . . ."
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The money quote from your link:

Sea level rise acceleration (or not): Part IV – Satellite era record

The flip from deceleration to acceleration hinges on a substantial
adjustment to the first 6 years of the TOPEX record...
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Here's what that looks like:

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Had no adjustments been made, to those plots they should have fallen right on top of one another.
And for the most part they did except for the first six years or so where the plots show that the early
part of the record was adjusted upwards which had the effect of lowering the rate of sea level rise for
the first half of the record, allowing Dr. Nerem and his Sea Level Group to claim that they had finally
detected acceleration.

Claiming that their correction to the first six years will affect sea level 82 years from now is in effect
a text book example of scientific chutzpah.
 

Claim: Global Sea Level Rise is Accelerating

There’s been a lot of buzz about this new paper from Nerem et al (see link in references below) where they claim to find global sea level rise acceleration over the past 25 years. I provide this article from NASA Earth Observatory for context for some posts that are coming later. Adjustments to data figure greatly into these new claims. . . .
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Jack Hays said:

Claim: Global Sea Level Rise is Accelerating

There’s been a lot of buzz about this new paper from Nerem et al (see link in references below) where they claim to find global sea level rise acceleration over the past 25 years. I provide this article from NASA Earth Observatory for context for some posts that are coming later. Adjustments to data figure greatly into these new claims. . . .
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NASA changed the first six years of data and extrapolated it out to claim 65 cm of sea level rise by 2100.

It's sort of like twisting the needle on the speedometer and expecting that to make the the car go faster.
 
Steve Case said:
NASA changed the first six years of data and extrapolated it out to claim 65 cm of sea level rise by 2100.

It's sort of like twisting the needle on the speedometer and expecting that to make the the car go faster.
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In the world of make believe, appearance is everything! It is only important that the car appears to be going faster.
 
longview said:
In the world of make believe, appearance is everything! It is only important that the car appears to be going faster.
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I remember an old Dennis the Menace cartoon where he draws a treasure map
of his back yard complete with a "X" marks the spot, and when he digs for the
treasure he can't figure out why it isn't there.

Does Dr. Nerem really believe correction of those six years will cause sea level
to rise faster? Hard to say if he really believes or knows it's BS.
 
longview said:
In the world of make believe, appearance is everything! It is only important that the car appears to be going faster.
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And let's face it the data supports the fact[SUP]Climate science usage of the word[/SUP] that you are going faster!!
 
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