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Shots Fired into the Christy/Spencer Building at UAH

Your tortured quest to avoid Occam's Razor is both fascinating and disappointing.


Occam's razor is to go with the simplest assumption...which is that it was a random shooting, just like the police said. Without any evidence it would be unscientific not to.

So don't torture yourself trying to make it more than it really was, jack. LOL
 
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So ECS 2 °C was lowered to 1.5°C because of the Ott study you posted...but it did not meet the criteria for being the "best" because...



And I said...



Speaking of obtuse...it appears that you're either ignoring or didn't bother to read my post at all. In that case, I'll take that as your concession.

So you concede that the 2°C you mentioned as part of the lowering of the range is not the 2°C best estimate from the study.
FYI the lack of agreement was between empirical data and modeled data, I tend to give more value to the observed data.

All of this still supports may original comment that the data supports the lower end of the IPCC prediction.

As to the other observations, you cited, everything in AGW is predicated on the predictions of CO2 sensitivity being correct,
and most require the mid to high end of the range.
But let's go through your list.
ice core samples: what about them?
melting ice packs: the ice has been receding for 12,000 years, is there enough data to say if the rate has changed?
methane: methane is an organic process, and has been going on since before Humans existed, has the rate changed?
rising sea waters: If you read much about sea level, the rates are fairly constant, most of the recent acceleration is due to a switch to lower accuracy satellite data.
extreme weather patterns: perhaps, but most likely better reporting of world event, the US has been very calm.
and no the reason the studies were not in agreement is likely that the models used incorrect assumptions for CO2 sensitivity.
 
So you concede that the 2°C you mentioned as part of the lowering of the range is not the 2°C best estimate from the study.
FYI the lack of agreement was between empirical data and modeled data, I tend to give more value to the observed data.

Why is it so difficult for you to refrain from blatant falsehoods? The majority of sensitivity studies between 2008 and 2013 had 'best estimates' where applicable which were higher than 2.4 degrees - and many of them higher than 3 degrees - as I have shown you at least twice in the recent past. That is the case both for instrumental sensitivity studies; and for paleoclimate sensitivity studies; and for climatological constraint studies; and for combination studies.

You are mistaken: Of the studies examined in AR5 which estimate climate sensitivity based on instrumental observations (Figure 12.2-1), 8 provide a best estimate lower than 2.4 degrees while 11 provide a best estimate of 2.4 or higher (five of them 3 degrees or higher). Of the studies which estimate climate sensitivity based on paleoclimate observations, 4 estimate a sensitivity below 2.4 while 6 provide a higher estimate (five of them above 3 degrees). Of those which use a combination of approaches, only one gives a best estimate below 2.4 while the other 5 have an estimate in the 2.4 to 3.1 range.

Since I have addressed this in detail less than two months ago, it's difficult to see how your comments are anything other than disingenuous propaganda. The majority of sensitivity studies between 2008 and 2013 had 'best estimates' where applicable which were higher than 2.4 degrees, as I have shown you in the past. That is the case both for instrumental sensitivity studies such as this; and for paleoclimate sensitivity studies; and for climatological constraint studies; and for combination studies.

So if it were the case that that this correspondence represented the view of the IPCC chapter authors in general - which is possible, since 13 of those names were among the lead or contributing authors to AR5 WG1 chapters 10 and 12, but by no means guaranteed since there were 50+ other authors of those chapters, after all - and if we are going to assume without evidence that there was some underhanded motive for the absence of a best estimate in the report, the most obvious conclusion would be that the authors didn't want to promote an actual 'consensus' best estimate which would be higher than their own estimate.

On that latter occasion you still persisted in 'questioning' about sinister motives involved in the absence of a best estimate from the IPCC report, and I pointed out that you could very easily email Dr. Otto to ask him about it. I asked you to PM me for an email address so you could CC me in on it, but you have not done so.

Obviously, falsehoods and wild speculation are far more important to you than mere truth and honest enquiry.
 
There are many in this very thread who imply that an ECS of 3+ is a foregone conclusion, settled science.
Michael Mann of Hockey stick fame is on record saying we will cross the 2 degree boundary...in 19 years.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earth-will-cross-the-climate-danger-threshold-by-2036/

Here we go again...

Yet another failure of basic comprehension? Mann's 2 C threshold was for Northern Hemisphere temperatures.

Using Northern Hemisphere temperatures, the rate of warming between 1996-2000 and 2012-2016 was around 0.244 C/decade (HadCRUT) or 0.296 C/decade (GISS). That's when the warming has been 'paused,' isn't it? But using that 'pause' rate of warming, from the average of those two datasets the Northern Hemisphere temperatures by 2036 will be 1.95 degrees above the 1880-1909 climate (Sheet 2).

So that would mean you're now persuaded of a 3C climate sensitivity, yes?

Or is that, yet again, a rate of warming that you find uncomfortable and need to cherry-pick some other data to deny?


There does exist legitimate scientific disagreement on what the 'most likely' sensitivity value is - which is why the 2013 IPCC did not provide a best estimate - but your obvious preference for wild unsubstantiated speculation, blatant misrepresentation of facts and wilful ignorance is not even remotely legitimate.

And yet you remain one of the most reasonable contrarians on the forum...
 
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Why is it so difficult for you to refrain from blatant falsehoods? The majority of sensitivity studies between 2008 and 2013 had 'best estimates' where applicable which were higher than 2.4 degrees - and many of them higher than 3 degrees - as I have shown you at least twice in the recent past. That is the case both for instrumental sensitivity studies; and for paleoclimate sensitivity studies; and for climatological constraint studies; and for combination studies.





On that latter occasion you still persisted in 'questioning' about sinister motives involved in the absence of a best estimate from the IPCC report, and I pointed out that you could very easily email Dr. Otto to ask him about it. I asked you to PM me for an email address so you could CC me in on it, but you have not done so.

Obviously, falsehoods and wild speculation are far more important to you than mere truth and honest enquiry.

You realize this will not phase him in the slightest, right? He'll be singing the praises of WUWT as soon as his buddy copy/pastes that blog again. You're basically arguing with Truthers.
 
You realize this will not phase him in the slightest, right? He'll be singing the praises of WUWT as soon as his buddy copy/pastes that blog again. You're basically arguing with Truthers.

I don't recall ever seeing Longview cite or directly praise WUWT, and he does sometimes cite legitimate scientific papers.
 
Perhaps I've confused him with one of the WUWT gang.




What do you think about WUWT?

Many of the posts there are interesting and informative, many are trash propaganda. For example in this thread we have seen posts replicated on WUWT from Dr. Spencer's blog which have hyped up a supposed link between the vandalism and "a March for Science passing right past our building on Saturday afternoon," with a subsequent post insisting that it was eco-terrorism and another (by a different author) demanding federal investigation of the March for Science organizers on the basis of that supposed link.

However the March for Science did not pass by the building at all - it apparently started on campus further down the street and moved away - making the tenuous connection utterly non-existent.

WUWT did reproduce Dr. Spencer's correction of his earlier, multiple falsehoods asserting that it had passed right by their building, but the blog's readers seemingly had already been whipped into such a frenzy of righteous indignation that mere facts no longer matter. Our own Jack Hays decided not to correct the falsehoods which he had publicized in multiple posts and, when asked about the collapse of that already-tenuous connection and his decision to only post even more extreme rhetoric about it insisted that
The route of the march was an unimportant detail. No need to correct something that doesn't matter.
 
Why is it so difficult for you to refrain from blatant falsehoods? The majority of sensitivity studies between 2008 and 2013 had 'best estimates' where applicable which were higher than 2.4 degrees - and many of them higher than 3 degrees - as I have shown you at least twice in the recent past. That is the case both for instrumental sensitivity studies; and for paleoclimate sensitivity studies; and for climatological constraint studies; and for combination studies.





On that latter occasion you still persisted in 'questioning' about sinister motives involved in the absence of a best estimate from the IPCC report, and I pointed out that you could very easily email Dr. Otto to ask him about it. I asked you to PM me for an email address so you could CC me in on it, but you have not done so.

Obviously, falsehoods and wild speculation are far more important to you than mere truth and honest enquiry.

If the studies are based on model outputs, they are not the same as those based on observational data.
But the ECS is end is based on the input from the energy imbalance at the top of the Atmosphere recent papercaused from the doubling of CO2.
Back in 2001 the imbalance number was 4 Wm-2 and the range was 1.5 to 4.5 °C.
Next the imbalance number was 3.71 Wm-2, yet still the range was 1.5 to 4.5 °C
A more paper Armour has the energy imbalance at 3.44 wm-2.
If the same physics applies the range should be dropping accordingly, and even if the center was selected, it should be below 3 °C.
and yes I am speculating as to the reason most of the lead authors of the Science section of AR5 felt the need to put out the result of their research
for AR5 that did not make it into the report.
 
Here we go again...




There does exist legitimate scientific disagreement on what the 'most likely' sensitivity value is - which is why the 2013 IPCC did not provide a best estimate - but your obvious preference for wild unsubstantiated speculation, blatant misrepresentation of facts and wilful ignorance is not even remotely legitimate.

And yet you remain one of the most reasonable contrarians on the forum...

I just like to point out that Mann shows a tendency towards alarming statements like his article headline.
Earth Will Cross the Climate Danger Threshold by 2036
You can say he meant the Northern Hemisphere, but the headline implies the entire planet!
 
Occam's razor is to go with the simplest assumption...which is that it was a random shooting, just like the police said. Without any evidence it would be unscientific not to.

So don't torture yourself trying to make it more than it really was, jack. LOL

The police just don't want more paperwork. If the shooting were random the hits would have been more scattered.
 
Many of the posts there are interesting and informative, many are trash propaganda. For example in this thread we have seen posts replicated on WUWT from Dr. Spencer's blog which have hyped up a supposed link between the vandalism and "a March for Science passing right past our building on Saturday afternoon," with a subsequent post insisting that it was eco-terrorism and another (by a different author) demanding federal investigation of the March for Science organizers on the basis of that supposed link.

However the March for Science did not pass by the building at all - it apparently started on campus further down the street and moved away - making the tenuous connection utterly non-existent.

WUWT did reproduce Dr. Spencer's correction of his earlier, multiple falsehoods asserting that it had passed right by their building, but the blog's readers seemingly had already been whipped into such a frenzy of righteous indignation that mere facts no longer matter. Our own Jack Hays decided not to correct the falsehoods which he had publicized in multiple posts and, when asked about the collapse of that already-tenuous connection and his decision to only post even more extreme rhetoric about it insisted that

So I take it you conceded my point.
 
The police just don't want more paperwork. If the shooting were random the hits would have been more scattered.

Where did the police say that? The shots were scattered all over the side of the building...and not one hit Christy's office.
 
You are arguing outliers as a rule. Violence by Antifa is not an outlier, it is SOP for the group of thugs.

Neither is the violence by the "Alt-right fight club"...and the "Proud Boys." They've been showing up at most of the protest rallies looking for a fight....

Alt-right thugs want to bring muscle to liberal protests | New York Post

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys


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I Went Behind the Front Lines With the Far-Right Agitators Who Invaded Berkeley | Mother Jones
 
Neither is the violence by the "Alt-right fight club"...and the "Proud Boys." They've been showing up at most of the protest rallies looking for a fight....

Alt-right thugs want to bring muscle to liberal protests | New York Post

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys


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Again, LOL. Those people showed up BECAUSE of the assaults by Antifa. Show me a peaceful liberal protest that these "proud boys" showed up to and attacked? The NYT article is speculation. Let me know when they actually start actually beating people up and peaceful liberal rallies. I'll be on your side in condemning them when the do. In the mean time the left wing sources you use are nothing but sewing fear in potentials while the left wing alternative is actually doing it.

Also, you don't seem to understand the difference between assault and defense.
 
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