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Where Glaciers Are Growing[W:129]

Jack Hays

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In New Zealand glaciers have been growing (at least through 2008). Seems there's "regional cooling."

Glaciers
Study: Advancing glaciers in New Zealand are a sign of ‘regional cooling’

Reader Phil Hutchings writes via email: This article in Nature Communications caught my eye! This is a beauty. This week, Nature Communications published an explanation as to why (at least) 58 New Zealand glaciers grew in the twenty-five years to 2008. The aberrant behaviour by these naughty glaciers was perfectly explicable though – it was…

The paper:
Mackintosh, A.N, Anderson, B.M, Lorrey, A.M, Renwick, J.A., Prisco Frei, & Dean, S.M., Regional cooling caused recent New Zealand glacier advances in a period of global warming. Nature Communications, February 2017
nature-communications-feb-2017 (PDF)

 
****in' awesome for NZ. Yay!

In other news, Climate Change is very real and melting polar ice at an alarming level.
 
Middleground said:
****in' awesome for NZ. Yay!

In other news, Climate Change is very real and melting polar ice at an alarming level.
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Not really.


[h=1]Why does the Antarctic sea ice trend resist decline?[/h]From NSIDC: Antarctic sea ice: an update Antarctic sea ice extent continues to make headlines because it has grown even as much of the globe, and Antarctica itself, is warming. Arctic sea ice, in contrast, is showing a marked decline. Warmer air and ocean waters are bathing both poles, so why does the Antarctic sea…

March 24, 2016 in Antarctic.
[h=1]Ooops! New NASA study: Antarctica isn’t losing ice mass after all ![/h]From the “settled science” department and former chief alarmist Jay Zwally, who for years had said the Arctic was in big trouble (only to have his prediction falsified), comes this Emily Litella moment in climate science: “Never mind!”. Curiously, WUWT reported back in 2012 about an ICEsat study by Zwally that said: ICESAT Data Shows Mass Gains…

October 31, 2015 in Antarctic.
 
Jack Hays said:
Not really.


[h=1]Why does the Antarctic sea ice trend resist decline?[/h]From NSIDC: Antarctic sea ice: an update Antarctic sea ice extent continues to make headlines because it has grown even as much of the globe, and Antarctica itself, is warming. Arctic sea ice, in contrast, is showing a marked decline. Warmer air and ocean waters are bathing both poles, so why does the Antarctic sea…

March 24, 2016 in Antarctic.
[h=1]Ooops! New NASA study: Antarctica isn’t losing ice mass after all ![/h]From the “settled science” department and former chief alarmist Jay Zwally, who for years had said the Arctic was in big trouble (only to have his prediction falsified), comes this Emily Litella moment in climate science: “Never mind!”. Curiously, WUWT reported back in 2012 about an ICEsat study by Zwally that said: ICESAT Data Shows Mass Gains…

October 31, 2015 in Antarctic.
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You really need to find a new place to get your information. WUWT is a website with an agenda.
 
Middleground said:
You really need to find a new place to get your information. WUWT is a website with an agenda.
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References
Holland, P. R., and R. Kwok. 2012. Wind-driven trends in Antarctic sea-ice drift. Nature Geoscience, doi:10.1038/NGEO1627.
Raphael, M. N., G. J. Marshall, J. Turner, R. Fogt, D. Schneider, D. A. Dixon, J. S. Hosking, J. M. Jones, and W. R. Hobbs. 2015. The Amundsen Sea Low: Variability, change and impact on Antarctic climate. Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society, doi:10.1175/BAMS-D-14-00018.1.
“Sea ice.” NASA Earth Observatory. Accessed 11 January 2016.
 
Middleground said:
You really need to find a new place to get your information. WUWT is a website with an agenda.
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Source: Journal of Glaciology doi: 10.3189/2015JoG15J071

[h=3]Abstract:[/h]
Mass changes of the Antarctic ice sheet impact sea-level rise as climate changes, but recent rates have been uncertain. Ice, Cloud and land Elevation Satellite (ICESat) data (2003–08) show mass gains from snow accumulation exceeded discharge losses by 82 ± 25 Gt a–1, reducing global sea-level rise by 0.23 mm a–1. European Remote-sensing Satellite (ERS) data (1992–2001) give a similar gain of 112 ± 61 Gt a–1. Gains of 136 Gt a–1 in East Antarctica (EA) and 72 Gt a–1 in four drainage systems (WA2) in West Antarctic (WA) exceed losses of 97 Gt a–1 from three coastal drainage systems (WA1) and 29 Gt a–1 from the Antarctic Peninsula (AP). EA dynamic thickening of 147 Gt a–1 is a continuing response to increased accumulation (>50%) since the early Holocene. Recent accumulation loss of 11 Gt a–1 in EA indicates thickening is not from contemporaneous snowfall increases. Similarly, the WA2 gain is mainly (60 Gt a–1) dynamic thickening. In WA1 and the AP, increased losses of 66 ± 16 Gt a–1 from increased dynamic thinning from accelerating glaciers are 50% offset by greater WA snowfall. The decadal increase in dynamic thinning in WA1 and the AP is approximately one-third of the long-term dynamic thickening in EA and WA2, which should buffer additional dynamic thinning for decades.​
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Jack Hays said:
References
Holland, P. R., and R. Kwok. 2012. Wind-driven trends in Antarctic sea-ice drift. Nature Geoscience, doi:10.1038/NGEO1627.
Raphael, M. N., G. J. Marshall, J. Turner, R. Fogt, D. Schneider, D. A. Dixon, J. S. Hosking, J. M. Jones, and W. R. Hobbs. 2015. The Amundsen Sea Low: Variability, change and impact on Antarctic climate. Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society, doi:10.1175/BAMS-D-14-00018.1.
“Sea ice.” NASA Earth Observatory. Accessed 11 January 2016.
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And? What does that prove?
 
Jack Hays said:
Source: Journal of Glaciology doi: 10.3189/2015JoG15J071

[h=3]Abstract:[/h]
Mass changes of the Antarctic ice sheet impact sea-level rise as climate changes, but recent rates have been uncertain. Ice, Cloud and land Elevation Satellite (ICESat) data (2003–08) show mass gains from snow accumulation exceeded discharge losses by 82 ± 25 Gt a–1, reducing global sea-level rise by 0.23 mm a–1. European Remote-sensing Satellite (ERS) data (1992–2001) give a similar gain of 112 ± 61 Gt a–1. Gains of 136 Gt a–1 in East Antarctica (EA) and 72 Gt a–1 in four drainage systems (WA2) in West Antarctic (WA) exceed losses of 97 Gt a–1 from three coastal drainage systems (WA1) and 29 Gt a–1 from the Antarctic Peninsula (AP). EA dynamic thickening of 147 Gt a–1 is a continuing response to increased accumulation (>50%) since the early Holocene. Recent accumulation loss of 11 Gt a–1 in EA indicates thickening is not from contemporaneous snowfall increases. Similarly, the WA2 gain is mainly (60 Gt a–1) dynamic thickening. In WA1 and the AP, increased losses of 66 ± 16 Gt a–1 from increased dynamic thinning from accelerating glaciers are 50% offset by greater WA snowfall. The decadal increase in dynamic thinning in WA1 and the AP is approximately one-third of the long-term dynamic thickening in EA and WA2, which should buffer additional dynamic thinning for decades.​
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Full study: OPEN SOURCE​
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If you don't think Climate Change is real, you're not getting your info from the right sources. Anthony Watt gets his jollies by misinforming people sheeple. It's a well know fact he's garbage.
 
Jack Hays said:
The only "agenda" at WUWT was to serve as a data aggregator. The data are the data.
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Funny how it only aggregates one kind of data, and then as its 'aggregating', it editorializes the scientific data with amateurish denier commentary.
 
Middleground said:
If you don't think Climate Change is real, you're not getting your info from the right sources. Anthony Watt gets his jollies by misinforming people sheeple. It's a well know fact he's garbage.
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Don't let facts get in the way of your ideology.
 
Jack Hays said:
Don't let facts get in the way of your ideology.
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New Zealand Glaciers Fox & Franz Josef Glaciers West Coast
The unique combination of climate and shape means that Fox and Franz Josef Glaciers move at approximately 10 times the speed of other valley glaciers around the world. At Fox Glacier this is due to the funnel-like shape of the glacial valley and the huge nevé, the snow accumulation area, at the top of the glacier. Fox Glacier’s nevé is 36 square kms, bigger than the whole of Christchurch City!

…and is currently retreating

Glaciers constantly advance and retreat, held in delicate balance by the accumulation of snow gained in the upper glacier and ice melting in the lower part. An increase in snowfall at the nevé will result in the glacier advancing. Correspondingly, a faster melt will result in the glacier retreating. Overall Fox and Franz Josef Glaciers were advancing from 1985 until 2009, and are curently in a retreating phase.
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Apart from the fact that you are trying to pass off old news as if it is still current.....


In any one particular area when discussing the changes in weather it is a discussion of the weather, in this case snow fall levels over a few years.

Climate change is about climate. Not weather.
 
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soylentgreen said:
Apart from the fact that you are trying to pass off old news as if it is still current.....
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The paper was just published.

The paper:
Mackintosh, A.N, Anderson, B.M, Lorrey, A.M, Renwick, J.A., Prisco Frei, & Dean, S.M., Regional cooling caused recent New Zealand glacier advances in a period of global warming. Nature Communications, February 2017
nature-communications-feb-2017 (PDF)
 
Jack Hays said:
The paper was just published.

The paper:
Mackintosh, A.N, Anderson, B.M, Lorrey, A.M, Renwick, J.A., Prisco Frei, & Dean, S.M., Regional cooling caused recent New Zealand glacier advances in a period of global warming. Nature Communications, February 2017
nature-communications-feb-2017 (PDF)
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It matters not when published it matters from what time zone it takes its information. I tend to base judgement on the information given in the paper rather than wordpress date of publication..
 
soylentgreen said:
It matters not when published it matters from what time zone it takes its information. I tend to base judgement on the information given in the paper rather than wordpress date of publication..
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Your claim of "old news" is thus categorically refuted.
 
Jack Hays said:
Your claim of "old news" is thus categorically refuted.
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Your article was published in 2017. The information in the article is old news.


Are you making the claim that the glaciers are still retreating ?
Two Years of Franz Josef Glacier Retreat in 15 Seconds » Franz Josef Glacier Guides
There have been a number of advance periods during this time, with the most recent advance occurring between 1983 and 1999.
Since 2008, Franz Josef Glacier has been in a period of retreat, and has lost around 800 metres of length.
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Jack Hays said:
Please note that the paper discusses 58 glaciers. Your tourist website discusses two.
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That is what i like to see a dying last grasp at straws from my opposition.
Of the two links in your OP both relate to studies of nz glaciers. And of the first link no mention of these 58 other glaciers. Of the paper itself the only thing it mentions about other glaciers is a comparison.
A recent global-scale
attribution study of glacier mass balance changes3 concluded that New Zealand
glacier changes were consistent with mass balance model simulations forced by
global climate models that included all forcings (natural and anthropogenic), rather
than mass balance model simulations forced by natural forcings alone. However,
a limitation of the application of this study to New Zealand glaciers3 is the use
of a global data set of glacier mass balance observations to assess their models53
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So far my tourist guide and actually reading the paper is all i need to defeat your silly claim.

And agian i ask the question you can only pretend to ignore in order to keep whatever remnents of dignity you have.

Are you claiming the nz glaciers are advancing?
 
Middleground said:
If you don't think Climate Change is real, you're not getting your info from the right sources. Anthony Watt gets his jollies by misinforming people sheeple. It's a well know fact he's garbage.
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Please be more specific

"Climate change is real " is a completely useless statement. Climate is always changing -stasis is impossible.
 
soylentgreen said:
That is what i like to see a dying last grasp at straws from my opposition.
Of the two links in your OP both relate to studies of nz glaciers. And of the first link no mention of these 58 other glaciers. Of the paper itself the only thing it mentions about other glaciers is a comparison.


So far my tourist guide and actually reading the paper is all i need to defeat your silly claim.

And agian i ask the question you can only pretend to ignore in order to keep whatever remnents of dignity you have.

Are you claiming the nz glaciers are advancing?
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I only claim the NZ glaciers were advancing to 2008. That's as far as the peer-reviewed science goes.

From the OP link (emphasis added):

This article in Nature Communications caught my eye!
This is a beauty. This week, Nature Communications published an explanation as to why (at least) 58 New Zealand glaciers grew in the twenty-five years to 2008.


 
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