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Two satellite datasets agree: The Pause lives on.No warming for the last 18 years’

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Jack Hays said:
I thought my #46 was quite clear.
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"Deal! Cried the losers."

That post.
 
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Deuce said:
"Deal! Cried the losers."

That post.
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That's just a line often used to describe losers demanding a chance to win their money back. It seemed like an appropriate response to the irrational rant from Buzz.
 
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Jack Hays said:
That's just a line often used to describe losers demanding a chance to win their money back. It seemed like an appropriate response to the irrational rant from Buzz.
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"irrational rant" :lamo
If you remove one El Nino from a temp record then to not just be dishonestly manipulating data you have to remove them all.
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You entirely dodged that point
 
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Deuce said:
"irrational rant" :lamo


You entirely dodged that point
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Not at all. As I have pointed out repeatedly I include them all. That's what made the Buzz rant counterfactually irrational.
 
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Jack Hays said:
Not at all. As I have pointed out repeatedly I include them all. That's what made the Buzz rant counterfactually irrational.
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Really?? Because removing the El Nino of 2015-2016 while leaving the El Nino of 1998 is exactly what this post of your's did:

Jack Hays said:
Hiatus in Global Warming
[h=1]2016 Global Temperature: The Pause Never Went Away[/h]The Met Office yesterday confirmed that the warm record of 2016 was mainly driven by a very strong El Nino. Guest essay by Dr David Whitehouse, GWPF Science Editor Not that you would have heard this fact in the news. But Peter Stott, Acting Director of the Met Office Hadley Centre, said in no uncertain…
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So tell me Jack... are you lying again or just completely unable to comprehend what you post?
 
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Buzz said:
Really?? Because removing the El Nino of 2015-2016 while leaving the El Nino of 1998 is exactly what this post of your's did:



So tell me Jack... are you lying again or just completely unable to comprehend what you post?
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You have again missed the point. Here are the last two sentences of my link.

Time will tell how far global temperatures will drop in the next couple of years. But there is a good chance that the pause will be re-established once the El Nino warmth tails off.
 
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Jack Hays said:
You have again missed the point. Here are the last two sentences of my link.

Time will tell how far global temperatures will drop in the next couple of years. But there is a good chance that the pause will be re-established once the El Nino warmth tails off.
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I didn't miss anything... you're just dishonestly ignoring content from your post. Like this:

By removing this temporary El Nino contribution from the Met Office’s 2016 data, it becomes obvious that global average temperatures would be essentially identical to where they were in 2014 (see fig 1).
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And how about the graph:

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The red part is the author removing the 2016 El Nino. And the first spike at 1998 is the El Nino that hasn't been removed.

You are wrong yet again Jack.

Why do you insist on proving to everyone here that you are either dishonest or ignorant?
 
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Buzz said:
I didn't miss anything... your just dishonestly ignoring content from your post. Like this:



And how about the graph:

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The red part is the author removing the 2016 El Nino. And the first spike at 1998 is the El Nino that hasn't been removed.

You are wrong yet again Jack.

Why do you insist on proving to everyone here that you are either dishonest or ignorant?
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As pointed out in #56, I'm perfectly happy with both El Ninos included. That has been the case from the beginning, but you seem determined to force another narrative into our exchange. As I explained elsewhere earlier today, I see the two El Ninos as peaks at opposite ends of the valley called The Pause. I suspect another such valley lies ahead.
 
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Jack Hays said:
As pointed out in #56, I'm perfectly happy with both El Ninos included. That has been the case from the beginning, but you seem determined to force another narrative into our exchange.
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How am I forcing another narrative when it was you who cut and pasted the denialist BS that dishonestly removed data and then liked longveiw's post where he agreed with this dishonest tactic?

longview said:
Thanks Jack, this gives a more solid reference point about the contribution of the El Nino to the current measurements....

...Since the Pause was alive and well in 2014, and 2016 sans El Nino is roughly the same as 2014, it does sound like the pause continues.
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Again... which one are you? Dishonest or ignorant?
 
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Buzz said:
How am I forcing another narrative when it was you who cut and pasted the denialist BS that dishonestly removed data and then liked longveiw's post where he agreed with this dishonest tactic?

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Again... which one are you? Dishonest or ignorant?
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Neither. My point stands with either both or neither El Nino. Take your pick.
 
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Jack Hays said:
Neither. My point stands with either both or neither El Nino. Take your pick.
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O.K... I will take this as an admition that you are a liar because the WUWT link you cut and pasted removed one El Nino without removing the others.
 
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Buzz said:
O.K... I will take this as an admition that you are a liar because the WUWT link you cut and pasted removed one El Nino without removing the others.
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It did no such thing. The full El Nino was shown. Additional data was included to show the El Nino contribution.
 
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Jack Hays said:
It did no such thing. The full El Nino was shown. Additional data was included to show the El Nino contribution.
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Well... as far as I am concerned this just proves without a doubt that Jack is intellectually dishonest.
 
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Buzz said:
Well... as far as I am concerned this just proves without a doubt that Jack is intellectually dishonest.
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Sorry, but there is no foundation for your claim. I will not join you in stooping to personal insult, but I have to wonder what could motivate such an unfounded claim.
 
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Jack Hays said:
Sorry, but there is no foundation for your claim. I will not join you in stooping to personal insult, but I have to wonder what could motivate such an unfounded claim.
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Oh please.... and I guess you suggesting I am a loser isn't a personal insult in your deluded mind.
 
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Buzz said:
Oh please.... and I guess you suggesting I am a loser isn't a personal insult in your deluded mind.
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You have been arguing against the data. The data always win.
 
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Jack Hays said:
You have been arguing against the data. The data always win.
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Do you mean the data that was removed in your link to make the false claim that the MET's data shows that the pause never went away?
 
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Buzz said:
Do you mean the data that was removed in your link to make the false claim that the MET's data shows that the pause never went away?
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No data was removed.
 
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Jack Hays said:
No data was removed.
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WOW!!! Another lie.
 
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Buzz said:
WOW!!! Another lie.
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Please specify which data you think were removed. Note: presentation in multiple colors does not constitute removal.
 
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Jack Hays said:
Please specify which data you think were removed. Note: presentation in multiple colors does not constitute removal.
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Sorry Jack but I am not going to repeat myself. Go back and reread the thread if needed but your link removed data to make a false claim.

I think I am done here.
 
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Buzz said:
Sorry Jack but I am not going to repeat myself. Go back and reread the thread if needed but your link removed data to make a false claim.

I think I am done here.
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Your post is false.

 
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A poster on this thread posted a link to a study that claims much greater warming than originally thought using RSS data ... even in years gone by.

How is that possible, you may ask?
Data is data, you would rightly suggest.
It can't be true.
Alas, it isn't.

You see, the authors of that new study must have felt greater public alarm was in order so ya know what they did to jack up the warming?
They adjusted some data and ignored problems with others.

Yup ... no Questio about it.
 
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bubbabgone said:
A poster on this thread posted a link to a study that claims much greater warming than originally thought using RSS data ... even in years gone by.

How is that possible, you may ask?
Data is data, you would rightly suggest.
It can't be true.
Alas, it isn't.

You see, the authors of that new study must have felt greater public alarm was in order so ya know what they did to jack up the warming?
They adjusted some data and ignored problems with others.

Yup ... no Questio about it.
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Data is always subject to revision. If you discover some error in the way the data was measured, then it makes no sense to keep using the original figures.

Say you've been weighing yourself all last year, but you just found out the scales were underweighing by 5% the whole time. What do you do? You adjust the old figures by 5%, of course. It's similar, but a lot more complicated, with temperature data.
 
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Buzz said:
How am I forcing another narrative when it was you who cut and pasted the denialist BS that dishonestly removed data and then liked longveiw's post where he agreed with this dishonest tactic?

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Again... which one are you? Dishonest or ignorant?
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Are you denying that before 2015 the slope of the warming had changed since the late 1990's
The pause was discussed in many main stream journals, and while they speculated to it's cause,
no one questioned it's reality.
Global warming ‘hiatus’ debate flares up again : Nature News & Comment
Making sense of the early-2000s warming slowdown : Nature Climate Change : Nature Research
 
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