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Federal Judge Begins the Teardown of EPA Regulations

code1211 said:
Not to be too much of a stickler for accuracy in this, but I did not make the claim you are clinging to.

You inferred that I might be making a claim and then took off on a line of thought that had no connection to what I wrote.
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code1211 said:
I have a Koi Pond in my back yard that I may want to eliminate and replace with a patio.

Under EPA regulations, this is a crime against the environment.
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so, let's find out. build your patio, and if the EPA tries to stop you, show us the letter that they send you demanding that you put your empty Koi pond back in.
 
Helix said:
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so, let's find out. build your patio, and if the EPA tries to stop you, show us the letter that they send you demanding that you put your empty Koi pond back in.
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Well, I'm glad you have finally returned to reality.

New plan for the pond is to incorporate it as a water feature into the patio. My single life style is about to be invaded by a housemate who says that she loves BBQ's.

However, the man-made pond is on my own private property. Why should I have ANY CONCERN at all that the Feds might have a controlling voice in that? There is NO indication in any of this that my pond activity is evil, illegal or will affect in any way any other state in the union.

Our laws in many ways are an outgrowth of English Common Law. One of the basic tenets brought over from England is supported today in American Law by the need for and use of search warrants is that "a man's home is his castle".

It is stated pretty well in this:

'An Englishman's home is his castle' - the meaning and origin of this phrase
<snip>
What was meant by 'castle' was defined in 1763 by the British Prime Minister with an admirable selection of names to choose from - William Pitt, the first Earl of Chatham, also known as Pitt the Elder:

"The poorest man may in his cottage bid defiance to all the forces of the crown.

It may be frail
- its roof may shake
- the wind may blow through it
- the storm may enter
- the rain may enter
- but the King of England cannot enter."
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I eagerly look forward to your eloquent support of the right of government to eliminate civil rights in peace time.
 
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code1211 said:
Well, I'm glad you have finally returned to reality.

New plan for the pond is to incorporate it as a water feature into the patio. My single life style is about to be invaded by a housemate who says that she loves BBQ's.

However, the man-made pond is on my own private property. Why should I have ANY CONCERN at all that the Feds might have a controlling voice in that? There is NO indication in any of this that my pond activity is evil, illegal or will affect in any way any other state in the union.

Our laws in many ways are an outgrowth of English Common Law. One of the basic tenets brought over from England is supported today in American Law by the need for and use of search warrants is that "a man's home is his castle".

It is stated pretty well in this:

'An Englishman's home is his castle' - the meaning and origin of this phrase
<snip>
What was meant by 'castle' was defined in 1763 by the British Prime Minister with an admirable selection of names to choose from - William Pitt, the first Earl of Chatham, also known as Pitt the Elder:

"The poorest man may in his cottage bid defiance to all the forces of the crown.

It may be frail
- its roof may shake
- the wind may blow through it
- the storm may enter
- the rain may enter
- but the King of England cannot enter."
<snip>

I eagerly look forward to your eloquent support of the right of government to eliminate civil rights in peace time.
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i'm glad to hear that the Koi pond / patio dilemma has been solved, and i hope that you and your new housemate enjoy both thoroughly.. however, had you chosen to place the patio where the Koi pond currently resides, the EPA would have done exactly nothing about it.
 
Helix said:
i'm glad to hear that the Koi pond / patio dilemma has been solved, and i hope that you and your new housemate enjoy both thoroughly.. however, had you chosen to place the patio where the Koi pond currently resides, the EPA would have done exactly nothing about it.
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That's your opinion.

It is very likely that the welder in Wyoming threatened with the $75,000 per day fine was possessed of the same misconception that seems to grip you.

The point is not that they will or that they won't, but rather that they could do so and could do so absent any due process. They have the same power of enforcement that is wielded by the IRS.

The due process exists only to stop them, not enable them.

Like other out of control Federal Agencies, they have enforcement powers that should never have been given to them. They are agencies of intimidation and police power. Only the very bravest dare to oppose them.

I find it astonishing that you are defending this form of governmental intimidation. But, there you go...
 
code1211 said:
That's your opinion.

It is very likely that the welder in Wyoming threatened with the $75,000 per day fine was possessed of the same misconception that seems to grip you.

The point is not that they will or that they won't, but rather that they could do so and could do so absent any due process. They have the same power of enforcement that is wielded by the IRS.

The due process exists only to stop them, not enable them.

Like other out of control Federal Agencies, they have enforcement powers that should never have been given to them. They are agencies of intimidation and police power. Only the very bravest dare to oppose them.

I find it astonishing that you are defending this form of governmental intimidation. But, there you go...
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you made the claim. replace your Koi pond with a patio, and then scan the EPA cease and desist letter that you receive. until then, your claim is horse****.
 
Helix said:
you made the claim. replace your Koi pond with a patio, and then scan the EPA cease and desist letter that you receive. until then, your claim is horse****.
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My claim is that the agency has power to intimidate, fine and confiscate.

Are you addressing MY claim or listening to your voices again?
 
code1211 said:
My claim is that the agency has power to intimidate, fine and confiscate.

Are you addressing MY claim or listening to your voices again?
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when you admit that the EPA is not going to do anything to stop you from removing your empty Koi pond and putting in a patio in its place, we can move on. until then, i'm going to continue to point out that this is a false claim.
 
Helix said:
when you admit that the EPA is not going to do anything to stop you from removing your empty Koi pond and putting in a patio in its place, we can move on. until then, i'm going to continue to point out that this is a false claim.
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Now you seem to be saying that I control the EPA.

Will this never end?
 
code1211 said:
Now you seem to be saying that I control the EPA.

Will this never end?
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sure. our discussion will end when you build your patio and the EPA does absolutely nothing about it. then you will admit that your claim was incorrect. alternatively, you'll post a redacted version of the cease and desist letter you receive which prevents you from building your patio. then i will admit that i'm wrong, and that the EPA really is interested in stopping you from replacing your abandoned Koi pond with a patio.
 
Helix said:
sure. our discussion will end when you build your patio and the EPA does absolutely nothing about it. then you will admit that your claim was incorrect. alternatively, you'll post a redacted version of the cease and desist letter you receive which prevents you from building your patio. then i will admit that i'm wrong, and that the EPA really is interested in stopping you from replacing your abandoned Koi pond with a patio.
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Are you intentionally misstating what I said.

Must be...

I could type a vulgarity in this post, but I won't.

Does the absence of the vulgarity indicate to you that it it impossible for me to do it?

The absence of anything does not necessarily indicate impossibility.

If I "get away with it", does that mean that the power to attack me does not exist? Hardly.

You seem very anxious to surrender freedoms to the government and have them returned as revocable privileges.

I find this to be confusing. Why do you want this?
 
code1211 said:
Are you intentionally misstating what I said.

Must be...

I could type a vulgarity in this post, but I won't.

Does the absence of the vulgarity indicate to you that it it impossible for me to do it?

The absence of anything does not necessarily indicate impossibility.

If I "get away with it", does that mean that the power to attack me does not exist? Hardly.

You seem very anxious to surrender freedoms to the government and have them returned as revocable privileges.

I find this to be confusing. Why do you want this?
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put in your back yard patio and then provide (redacted) proof that the EPA tried to stop you.
 
Helix said:
put in your back yard patio and then provide (redacted) proof that the EPA tried to stop you.
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You're unable to address the topic, aren't you.
 
code1211 said:
You're unable to address the topic, aren't you.
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admit that your claim is false, and we'll go from there. if you replace your Koi pond with a patio, the EPA is going to do exactly jack **** about it.
 
Helix said:
admit that your claim is false, and we'll go from there. if you replace your Koi pond with a patio, the EPA is going to do exactly jack **** about it.
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My claim is that the EPA has power to enforce regulations absent due process.

Your inability to understand the written word in no way diminishes the power of the EPA.

Here's another example:

https://object.cato.org/sites/cato....upreme-court-review/2012/9/scr-2012-adler.pdf

Are you going to continue to to make empty and irrelevant comments or are you going to address the topic at hand?
 
code1211 said:
My claim is that the EPA has power to enforce regulations absent due process.

Your inability to understand the written word in no way diminishes the power of the EPA.

Here's another example:

https://object.cato.org/sites/cato....upreme-court-review/2012/9/scr-2012-adler.pdf

Are you going to continue to to make empty and irrelevant comments or are you going to address the topic at hand?
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i'm going to hold you to your false claim until you admit that it's bull****.

the EPA is not going to stop you from replacing your abandoned Koi pond with a patio.
 
Helix said:
i'm going to hold you to your false claim until you admit that it's bull****.

the EPA is not going to stop you from replacing your abandoned Koi pond with a patio.
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Please link to the post where I made that claim that imagine was made.

You can hold me to the claim if you feel compelled to do so, but I never made that claim.

You're listening to your voices again.
 
code1211 said:
Please link to the post where I made that claim that imagine was made.

You can hold me to the claim if you feel compelled to do so, but I never made that claim.

You're listening to your voices again.
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i've already reminded you of your claim multiple times.

code1211 said:
I have a Koi Pond in my back yard that I may want to eliminate and replace with a patio.

Under EPA regulations, this is a crime against the environment.
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http://www.debatepolitics.com/envir...egulations-post1066789368.html#post1066789368

tell you what : send the EPA an inquiry letter, and find out if they will prevent you from removing your empty Koi pond so that you can build your patio. let's get this thing figured out. what do you say?
 
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