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Big Changes Coming to US Climate & Environment Policy

Ockham said:
Even better did anyone at the EPA get fired? Demoted? As far as I can tell the answer to both is "no". Yet, if you on your own property, cut down a tree in an area where say a particular frog lives, you would be criminally charged, hauled in front of a judge, fined and threatened by federal prosecutors for destroying a protected species habitat. If the EPA poisons miles worth of a pristine ecosystem, nothing happens. Where are the environmentalists protesting the EPA? Yeah.... that won't be happening.
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Yep.

Those responsible should be sitting in jail right now if they weren't so damned hypocritical.
 
Camer☑n;1066532917 said:
I propose that, if there is a climate disaster in the future, today's Republicans and their descendants pay reparations to the Democrats. Let's put the money of deniers where their beliefs are.
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Why?

There is no point in us doing any more than we have done, until Asia starts to match our technology.

Our efforts will be for nothing at all, unless the whole world complies.

Think about that... Stop with the ignorant arrogance please.

How will you get them to comply?

Start a war?
 
Lord of Planar said:
Call it an accident if you wish, but it was due to incompetence. It was avoidable, and should have never occurred.
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Never said otherwise, but it was still not done on purpose, where as a business illegally dump is doing so on purpose, I notice you skipped over that.
 
Ockham said:
Actually your post is the exact accusation you attribute to me. I provided facts, you ignored them. :shrug:

THe money flows for Democrats the same way. Until you can face that "fact", I'm sure I'll be pointing out more partisan spew.
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You think I am a Democrat, how cute and wrong.:doh:lamo
 
Casper said:
Never said otherwise, but it was still not done on purpose, where as a business illegally dump is doing so on purpose, I notice you skipped over that.
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A business would bet the strong arm of the law, even if ignorant to the law. Or even if an accident occurred.

I hate double standards and hypocrisy, but the left seems to thrive on them.
 
danielpalos said:
Only the right prefers to sink costs with fossil fuels. Some on the left have been advocating for fusion (an energy with a future).
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Jack Hays said:
I have high hopes for fusion.
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While maybe some day, right now it's far from practical at anything larger than the lab experiment, or self sustaining reaction.

The control system for the magnetic bottle being the difficult challenge there, I believe.

I'm not saying that it's impossible, and we shouldn't pursue it, we should, but it's going to be a long time before humans are able to contain and control the reaction that only suns are capable of.
 
Casper said:
You think I am a Democrat, how cute and wrong.:doh:lamo
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Regardless, you are targeting one side without balance.

It would seem you are a lefty to me!
 
Lord of Planar said:
A business would bet the strong arm of the law, even if ignorant to the law. Or even if an accident occurred.

I hate double standards and hypocrisy, but the left seems to thrive on them.
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Would they? Ask the people in the gulf coast after a business ignored their own chief engineer and spilled oil all along out coast.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Regardless, you are targeting one side without balance.

It would seem you are a lefty to me!
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I am targeting those that if given the opportunity would allow drilling, mining, and even more logging in our National Parks and we all know they will take excellent care of those lands. I do not see Liberals dong that, do you? In fact they try defending our environment, sometimes they go too far but they are at least trying, where as the Repubs want to gut the EPA and remove many regulations that prevent businesses from ding harm in the name of the almighty dollar.
Funny how you equate someone wanting to protect our environment as having to be a Lefty, all that needs to be said.
 
Casper said:
Would they? Ask the people in the gulf coast after a business ignored their own chief engineer and spilled oil all along out coast.
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And they paid out how much?
 
eohrnberger said:
While maybe some day, right now it's far from practical at anything larger than the lab experiment, or self sustaining reaction.

The control system for the magnetic bottle being the difficult challenge there, I believe.

I'm not saying that it's impossible, and we shouldn't pursue it, we should, but it's going to be a long time before humans are able to contain and control the reaction that only suns are capable of.
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Agreed, but on the other hand, a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.
 
Casper said:
I am targeting those that if given the opportunity would allow drilling, mining, and even more logging in our National Parks and we all know they will take excellent care of those lands. I do not see Liberals dong that, do you? In fact they try defending our environment, sometimes they go too far but they are at least trying, where as the Repubs want to gut the EPA and remove many regulations that prevent businesses from ding harm in the name of the almighty dollar.
Funny how you equate someone wanting to protect our environment as having to be a Lefty, all that needs to be said.
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No, the "lefty" view is that of an irrational person.
 
Lord of Planar said:
And they paid out how much?
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More than they wanted to initially and much of it due to the government pushing them and an army of lawyers chopping at the bit. So, you believe if someone destroys the environment and peoples livelihood money makes it right, good grief.
 
Lord of Planar said:
No, the "lefty" view is that of an irrational person.
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Then why are you talking to me if they are one in the same?

Not to worry, I will save you the trouble in the future. Done.
 
Casper said:
More than they wanted to initially and much of it due to the government pushing them and an army of lawyers chopping at the bit. So, you believe if someone destroys the environment and peoples livelihood money makes it right, good grief.
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There are risks at anything. If we never grow because we hold ourselves back because of risks, then would we have ever left the dark ages?

Did someone lose their job at the EPA?

No!

There should have been terminations over that, especially since they cannot effectively bill themselves for the cleanup.

It's more tax dollar at work.
 
Casper said:
Then why are you talking to me if they are one in the same?

Not to worry, I will save you the trouble in the future. Done.
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most people who are left of center, let their emotions rule, without considering what happens next. many people right of center are thought of a cold hearted, because they do think about what is next. You know, the cons of doing what seems right at the moment...
 
Jack Hays said:
Agreed, but on the other hand, a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.
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Agreed. But in the short to medium term, the energy demands will have to be met, and shouldn't count on fusion as the solution. At least not just yet.

I too am hopeful for the future, as a fusion energy source might be able to power a spacecraft near to, but no exceeding, the speed of light. That would make the galaxy a lot closer than now.
 
ocean515 said:
I challenge your claim. Environmental policy pushed by pro-environmentalist groups have more often than not been complete failures born of emotional appeal and void of scientific fact.

They end up harming the economy, lead to lost jobs, and have little impact on the environment.

Environmental Policies in principle can be beneficial to the country, but not those rammed down the throats of society by environmental zealots who run on pure emotionalism.
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LOL!

Your mind is so twisted, I legitimately feel sorry for you. I'm not even going to dignify discussion with you anymore. Doing so would be waste of time.
 
thenotorious said:
LOL!

Your mind is so twisted, I legitimately feel sorry for you. I'm not even going to dignify discussion with you anymore. Doing so would be waste of time.
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Thank you. I had already reached a similar conclusion regarding you.

Have a nice day.
 
Casper said:
You think I am a Democrat, how cute and wrong.:doh:lamo
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Irrelevant. That you do exactly what you accuse others of doing and then ignore facts without counter-facts, says there is no argument. That your response now accuses me of something confirms it.
 
Ockham said:
Irrelevant. That you do exactly what you accuse others of doing and then ignore facts without counter-facts, says there is no argument. That your response now accuses me of something confirms it.
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Sure is and does, I am sure you think so. Good Luck
 
Lots of objections but they don't alter the fact that change is coming.
 
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/11...s-climate-agreement-participation-by-the-u-s/

The election of Donald Trump as the next president of the United States has left reeling the environmental lobbyists and activists and international leaders committed to reducing fossil fuel use to meet the Paris climate agreement. As the Washington Post noted, “Trump comes into office with a plan to toss out most of what President Obama achieved on energy and the environment.”
Trump, who has called the alleged human-caused climate change catastrophe a “hoax,” vowed to “cancel” the United States’ participation in the Paris climate accord. Trump also has committed to scrapping the Clean Power Plan, the Obama administration’s signature effort to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Trump has said he will review and possibly reverse the Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) determination carbon dioxide is a pollutant endangering public and environmental health (the “endangerment finding”). Trump can’t undo the endangerment finding with the stroke of a pen, but he is in a position to get that done over time. Reversing the endangerment finding would end the legal justification for a range of climate regulations. In the process, it also would end radical environmental activists’ ability to use the courts to impose climate policies on an unwilling public whose elected representatives have repeatedly rejected climate policies. . . .
 
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