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Then besides human cause soot, there is this in Iceland:



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Greenland ice sheet
[h=1]Study: ‘accelerated melting of the lower Greenland ice sheet’ due to bacteria darkening the surface albedo[/h]From RESEARCH ORGANIZATION OF INFORMATION AND SYSTEMS and the “dirty snow” department. Factors promoting growth of cryoconite granule formation and glacial/ice sheet melting Cryoconite granules (see Figure 1) are dark, millimeter-sized aggregations of bacteria and algae, mineral particles and organic matter that form on the surface of glaciers. They are also known to be a significant…
 
Deuce said:
Contributes to. Yes. So?
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If it didn't "contribute to," then maybe the ice would be increasing, at least shrinking less.

There is more than just man's activity going on here.

Do you "deny" nature?
 
Jack Hays said:
Greenland ice sheet
[h=1]Study: ‘accelerated melting of the lower Greenland ice sheet’ due to bacteria darkening the surface albedo[/h]From RESEARCH ORGANIZATION OF INFORMATION AND SYSTEMS and the “dirty snow” department. Factors promoting growth of cryoconite granule formation and glacial/ice sheet melting Cryoconite granules (see Figure 1) are dark, millimeter-sized aggregations of bacteria and algae, mineral particles and organic matter that form on the surface of glaciers. They are also known to be a significant…
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There are also types of algae if I remember right that have m=been increasing, and causing heat absorption.
 
Denial runs deep in these parts.
 
Lord of Planar said:
If it didn't "contribute to," then maybe the ice would be increasing, at least shrinking less.

There is more than just man's activity going on here.

Do you "deny" nature?
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I've literally explained this about a hundred times in this subforum. If you're still attacking this straw man, you're beyond help. You're a partisan hack who pays absolutely no attention to what people are actually arguing.

Nobody in history has ever argued mankind is the only influence on climate. If you cannot see this, stop discussing this topic because you're comically uneducated on it.
 
Deuce said:
I've literally explained this about a hundred times in this subforum. If you're still attacking this straw man, you're beyond help. You're a partisan hack who pays absolutely no attention to what people are actually arguing.

Nobody in history has ever argued mankind is the only influence on climate. If you cannot see this, stop discussing this topic because you're comically uneducated on it.
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So how much of the warming since 1960 is due to human activity?

How much due to CO2?

How much of the warming during the Holocene optimal was due to human activity?
 
calamity said:
Lying or full of ****. I could not care less which it is. But, that he's a denier of facts is self-evident.

Evidence for global warming
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1) Evidence is not always fact.

2) Global Warming does not mean AGW.

3) Last updated by MichaelK... who is that?

4) Archive shows by:

James Wight

James Wight is a Science student with Macquarie University, Sydney, intending to major in climate science. He has been passionately interested in climate science for several years.

Why does he have more credibility than Watts?

Has he graduated yet?
 
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That is the same as calling him a liar.

Please show what science he is denying or retract that. (LoP)
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calamity said:
Lying or full of ****. I could not care less which it is. But, that he's a denier of facts is self-evident.

Evidence for global warming
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Can you actually manage to say what exactly he is denying? He, and I, and others, do not deny the fact that the world has got warmer. We do not deny the science. What we question is the none-science none-sense doom mongers who drivel on without any reference or understnding of the science. Such as you it seems.

Show what he denies or retract with an appology.
 
Tim the plumber said:
Can you actually manage to say what exactly he is denying? He, and I, and others, do not deny the fact that the world has got warmer. We do not deny the science. What we question is the none-science none-sense doom mongers who drivel on without any reference or understnding of the science. Such as you it seems.

Show what he denies or retract with an appology.
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Weasel words.

The science has been posted. Denial runs deep. And, if you want nonsense, nonsense is saying the glaciers all over the world are melting because of volcanic soot and not global warming. What a crock of **** that was.
 
Lord of Planar said:
1) Evidence is not always fact.

2) Global Warming does not mean AGW.

3) Last updated by MichaelK... who is that?

4) Archive shows by:

James Wight

James Wight is a Science student with Macquarie University, Sydney, intending to major in climate science. He has been passionately interested in climate science for several years.

Why does he have more credibility than Watts?

Has he graduated yet?
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Did you purposely ignore the links to NOAA and NASA etc that he cited in his article?

Lol...right.
 
calamity said:
Weasel words.

The science has been posted. Denial runs deep. And, if you want nonsense, nonsense is saying the glaciers all over the world are melting because of volcanic soot and not global warming. What a crock of **** that was.
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If you cannot link to that you should retract it as nobody has ever said that.

This subject is clearly far too complex for you. Leave it to those who can hold two ideas in thier head at once.
 
Tim the plumber said:
If you cannot link to that you should retract it as nobody has ever said that.

This subject is clearly far too complex for you. Leave it to those who can hold two ideas in thier head at once.
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Read it and weep

Lord of Planar said:
Yes.


Only where exposed to soot of the ring of fire.


Yes.

sheet ice is diminishing, the ocean has thermal expansion, water is being pumped out of aquifers ending up in the sea, and silt continues to add to the sea content.


Yes.


Yes, man's encroachment on the land in ever increasing. Do you advocate population control?


Especially from over fishing.


How did you come to that conclusion?

Wow..

You are so blinded by your confirmation bias, you fail to understand other people's viewpoints.
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calamity said:
Read it and weep
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So in post 18 LoP said that he agreed with you that the world has and is warming, that forrests are being cut down etc.. and you say that he has denied that these things are so and badly quote the bit where he said the opposite.

You are clearly unable to comprehend stuff other people write at all.
 
Tim the plumber said:

So in post 18 LoP said that he agreed with you that the world has and is warming, that forrests are being cut down etc.. and you say that he has denied that these things are so and badly quote the bit where he said the opposite.

You are clearly unable to comprehend stuff other people write at all.
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If you agree with him that soot from volcanoes is the cause for glacier retreat, please provide proof. He certainly has not.
 
I'm sure that DeCrappio is flying around the world on a commercial plane and leaving the smallest carbon footprint possible?

No.

Limousine liberals.
 
calamity said:
If you agree with him that soot from volcanoes is the cause for glacier retreat, please provide proof. He certainly has not.
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He has been talking about soot from Chineese industry mostly. And yes, changes in the albedo of the surface of a glacier are a very significant factor in it's growth or melting. Should you ever be able to understand very basic physics you will appreciate this very basic point.

The volcanic effect on the melting of ice is the melting of Antarctic ice. This is where alarmists shout about the loss of Antarctic ice. The ice Antarctica is losing is due to the volcanoes going off under it. Antarctica appears to be gaining ice mass over all though.

Basic comprehension. You need to show where he, and others, have denied science or appologise.
 
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