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Buying a Prius or Hybrid/Electric Car Isn't As Green As You Think...

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Clapton is God

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More pollution is created from the energy it takes to manufacture and transport all the parts to create an electric car than if you bought an old Ford truck with a big motor and just drove it.
If they made electric cars to last decades, but they need you to buy another car sooner thus creating more pollution.

It's not that this isn't common knowledge, but some people think a Prius is actually environmentally friendly. Go out and buy a hybrid and then stop by McDonalds on the way home so you can contribute to just as big a problem as CO2 emissions and that's methane. Then you can recycle the paper McDonald's bag and tell yourself, "Hey, at least I'm not a Republican." ha ha

The white middle class democrat will have to end the love affair with consumerism and constant consumption if he/she wants to "save the planet".

Turn off your TV. Buy used. Buy less. Start a Garden. Just don't buy a new car. Hybrids are polar bear killers!
 
If everybody stops buying new cars, what happens when we run out of used ones?
 
Clapton is God said:
More pollution is created from the energy it takes to manufacture and transport all the parts to create an electric car than if you bought an old Ford truck with a big motor and just drove it.
If they made electric cars to last decades, but they need you to buy another car sooner thus creating more pollution.

It's not that this isn't common knowledge, but some people think a Prius is actually environmentally friendly. Go out and buy a hybrid and then stop by McDonalds on the way home so you can contribute to just as big a problem as CO2 emissions and that's methane. Then you can recycle the paper McDonald's bag and tell yourself, "Hey, at least I'm not a Republican." ha ha

The white middle class democrat will have to end the love affair with consumerism and constant consumption if he/she wants to "save the planet".

Turn off your TV. Buy used. Buy less. Start a Garden. Just don't buy a new car. Hybrids are polar bear killers!
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This is a really dumb post.
 
Kobie said:
This is a really dumb post.
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"Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man."

Why exactly is this a "dumb" post? Are you're skeptical of the science on methane and CO2 emmissions?
 
Clapton is God said:
"Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man."

Why exactly is this a "dumb" post? Are you're skeptical of the science on methane and CO2 emmissions?
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No, I'm saying your fun story about a guy in a Prius going to McDonald's is a fun exercise in inanity.
 
Deuce said:
If everybody stops buying new cars, what happens when we run out of used ones?
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Buying a "new" car or product of any kind doesn't have to actually pollute. The fact is it currently does. Long before we "run out of used cars" I'm sure people would start building cars that lasted and in a way that had zero "environmental impact".
The Jeep Wrangler is no longer made in the USA like it was until a few years ago, but a car built like that would have less environmental impact than a hybrid as the manufacturing in multiple countries and continents along with transportation creates tremendous amount of pollution.

I've thought for a while now that taxing people to pay for roads is more or less corporate welfare as it shapes most cities around the "need" to use an automobile instead of having more walk able cities or public transit. If you live outside the city you would of course need an automobile, but there a whole lot more people living in U.S. cities than rural areas.
Maybe it's time to stop subsidizing auto interests and see what we can create that's better. What will happen when everyone stops buying horse carriages? Who can know? Cuba's still rockin' those old 50s cars though...lol
 
Clapton is God said:
Buying a "new" car or product of any kind doesn't have to actually pollute. The fact is it currently does. Long before we "run out of used cars" I'm sure people would start building cars that lasted and in a way that had zero "environmental impact".
The Jeep Wrangler is no longer made in the USA like it was until a few years ago, but a car built like that would have less environmental impact than a hybrid as the manufacturing in multiple countries and continents along with transportation creates tremendous amount of pollution.

I've thought for a while now that taxing people to pay for roads is more or less corporate welfare as it shapes most cities around the "need" to use an automobile instead of having more walk able cities or public transit. If you live outside the city you would of course need an automobile, but there a whole lot more people living in U.S. cities than rural areas.
Maybe it's time to stop subsidizing auto interests and see what we can create that's better. What will happen when everyone stops buying horse carriages? Who can know? Cuba's still rockin' those old 50s cars though...lol
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Riiight. Because there's no energy consumption in manufacturing! And no waste products!
 
Clapton is God said:
More pollution is created from the energy it takes to manufacture and transport all the parts to create an electric car than if you bought an old Ford truck with a big motor and just drove it.
If they made electric cars to last decades, but they need you to buy another car sooner thus creating more pollution.

It's not that this isn't common knowledge, but some people think a Prius is actually environmentally friendly. Go out and buy a hybrid and then stop by McDonalds on the way home so you can contribute to just as big a problem as CO2 emissions and that's methane. Then you can recycle the paper McDonald's bag and tell yourself, "Hey, at least I'm not a Republican." ha ha

The white middle class democrat will have to end the love affair with consumerism and constant consumption if he/she wants to "save the planet".

Turn off your TV. Buy used. Buy less. Start a Garden. Just don't buy a new car. Hybrids are polar bear killers!
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Low emissions cars are environmentally better. Emissions controls have been in place in Los Angeles and as a result the smog is just a tiny fraction of what it was ten years ago.
 
Deuce said:
Riiight. Because there's no energy consumption in manufacturing! And no waste products!
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Pollution isn't inherent to using energy. "Re-newable energy", Re-newable resources. Obviously, since so much energy comes from coal that isn't the case it is done currently and how the current world of multinational corporations/WTO/IMF/etc..works.
 
Clapton is God said:
Pollution isn't inherent to using energy. "Re-newable energy", Re-newable resources. Obviously, since so much energy comes from coal that isn't the case it is done currently and how the current world of multinational corporations/WTO/IMF/etc..works.
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So, you're arguing against hybrid vehicles but for vast growth in renewable energy.
 
Deuce said:
So, you're arguing against hybrid vehicles but for vast growth in renewable energy.
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You'd have to define vast growth. Do you mean under the current economic model or something different? "Vast growth in renewable energy" sounds like something a politician would say. I'm not a Democrat advocating we "invest in renewable energy" though corporate welfare schemes.
The main point is that buying a hybrid car as it is currently manufactured by corporations still contributes to climate change even though the commercial said it was more "eco-friendly".
 
Clapton is God said:
You'd have to define vast growth. Do you mean under the current economic model or something different? "Vast growth in renewable energy" sounds like something a politician would say. I'm not a Democrat advocating we "invest in renewable energy" though corporate welfare schemes.
The main point is that buying a hybrid car as it is currently manufactured by corporations still contributes to climate change even though the commercial said it was more "eco-friendly".
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Of course it still contributes. Hybrids still burn gasoline, and still take energy to produce. Nobody ever suggested otherwise. The advertising says it's better, not perfect. Is that so hard to understand?

Vast growth in renewable energy is what would be required for manufacturing processes to stop polluting so much. (even with 100% renewables, there are always going to be hazardous byproducts in production) You claimed to be for that, but are not waffling on that support, I guess.
 
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Deuce said:
Of course it still contributes. Hybrids still burn gasoline, and still take energy to produce. Nobody ever suggested otherwise. The advertising says it's better, not perfect. Is that so hard to understand?

Vast growth in renewable energy is what would be required for manufacturing processes to stop polluting so much. (even with 100% renewables, there are always going to be hazardous byproducts in production) You claimed to be for that, but are not waffling on that support, I guess.
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Not sure how you can predict the future of production methods, but you can believe what you want. I never claimed to "be for" anything. You don't have to take it personally Perhaps you own a lot of stock in Toyota, Nissan or other companies and don't want this brought up? lol
There are actually people who think they are being "environmentally friendly" when they buy a hybrid or all electric car. That may not apply to you, but there are those people who are manipulated by advertising. It's just an FYI.
 
Clapton is God said:
Not sure how you can predict the future of production methods, but you can believe what you want. I never claimed to "be for" anything. You don't have to take it personally Perhaps you own a lot of stock in Toyota, Nissan or other companies and don't want this brought up? lol
There are actually people who think they are being "environmentally friendly" when they buy a hybrid or all electric car. That may not apply to you, but there are those people who are manipulated by advertising. It's just an FYI.
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They are being more environmentally friendly than buying a gas guzzler. Just FYI.
 
Clapton is God said:
Not sure how you can predict the future of production methods, but you can believe what you want. I never claimed to "be for" anything. You don't have to take it personally Perhaps you own a lot of stock in Toyota, Nissan or other companies and don't want this brought up? lol
There are actually people who think they are being "environmentally friendly" when they buy a hybrid or all electric car. That may not apply to you, but there are those people who are manipulated by advertising. It's just an FYI.
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I advocate, expanding photo voltaic solar, and using refineries to store the surplus energy as carbon neutral fuels.
That way the existing vehicles do not have to change to become carbon neutral.
We will need a bin increase in the installed solar base, and a change in home solar laws.
 
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