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XKCD nails it

Jack Hays said:
It's not used in isolation.
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More BS spin from you to try to save face. Can't you even read what Josh himself wrote on the cartoon?

Alley's local Greenland GISP2 dataset was the ONLY dataset used from the end of the LGM to the last 150 years where HadCRUT4 global average temperatures were spliced on to it. All the cartoonist Josh apparently did was divide the Alley dataset by 4 to 'scale' it to the 4C change from the LGM to pre-industrial times (from Annan 2013). This is either totally moronic or intentionally deceptive or both. It's certainly not valid science. The cartoon is completely unphysical ridiculous rubbish.

But you fell for it and so did all the Watt's worshippers applauding it except one person who virtually got dismissed.

*All the talk about Jesus and the 3 wise men was funny.
 
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Jack Hays said:
No. Your claims are without merit, and your desperation discredits your cause.
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Your desperate attempts to try to save face and not look like a complete idiot, when that's exactly what your posts showed yourself to be, are funny.
 
Quaestio said:
More BS spin from you to try to save face. Can't you even read what Josh himself wrote on the cartoon?

Alley's local Greenland GISP2 dataset was the ONLY dataset used from the end of the LGM to the last 150 years where HadCRUT4 global average temperatures were spliced on to it. All the cartoonist Josh apparently did was divide the Alley dataset by 4 to 'scale' it to the 4C change from the LGM to pre-industrial times (from Annan 2013). This is either totally moronic or intentionally deceptive or both. It's certainly not valid science. The cartoon is complete unphysical rubbish.

But you fell for it and so did all the Watt's worshippers applauding it except one person who virtually got dismissed.

*All the talk about Jesus and the 3 wise men was funny.
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Quaestio said:
Your desperate attempts to try to save face and not look like a complete idiot, when that's exactly what your posts showed yourself to be, are funny.
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It's a cartoon. The source material is just fine. No one "fell for" anything. It's a perfectly valid presentation.
 
Threegoofs said:
You can't even get other deniers to take your side on this one, and those guys will say just about *anything*.
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WUWT seems to be like a Bible to Jack. His constant click-bait spam posts are his way of evangelizing the Gospel according to Watts.
 
Quaestio said:
WUWT seems to be like a Bible to Jack. His constant click-bait spam posts are his way of evangelizing the Gospel according to Watts.
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[h=1]WUWT Awarded Top Science Blog Status, beats RealClimate, NYT, Guardian, HuffPo[/h]Some days life hands you unexpected gifts. Today is one of those days. I got this surprise today in a comment left at WUWT Tips & Notes: My name is Anuj Agarwal. I’m Founder of Feedspot. I would like to personally congratulate you as your blog Watts Up With That? has been selected by our…

3 days ago September 28, 2016 in Announcements.
 
Jack Hays said:
It's a cartoon. The source material is just fine. No one "fell for" anything. It's a perfectly valid presentation.
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Nope, it's complete pseudoscience rubbish to use Alley's GISP2 Greenland ice core dataset as a proxy for global average temperatures. The fact that you continue to defend it shows you just unsceptically believe anything posted on WUWT as "THE TRUTH!", no matter how ridiculous.
 
Jack Hays said:
I don't need any help on this one.
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That's right, you don't need any help to make yourself look like a complete fool. You do great job on your own.
 
Quaestio said:
Nope, it's complete pseudoscience rubbish to use Alley's GISP2 Greenland ice core dataset as a proxy for global average temperatures. The fact that you continue to defend it shows you just mindlessly accept anything posted on WUWT as "The Truth", no matter how ridiculous.
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Thank you for your opinion.
 
Jack Hays said:
[h=1]WUWT Awarded Top Science Blog Status, beats RealClimate, NYT, Guardian, HuffPo[/h]Some days life hands you unexpected gifts. Today is one of those days. I got this surprise today in a comment left at WUWT Tips & Notes: My name is Anuj Agarwal. I’m Founder of Feedspot. I would like to personally congratulate you as your blog Watts Up With That? has been selected by our…

3 days ago September 28, 2016 in Announcements.
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Congratulations Jack! Watts should give you a special gold star for your 1000's of click-bait spam posts promoting his blog to increase his numbers and his revenue from ads. I'm sure he has many devoted glazed-eyed moronic climate truthers doing the same thing to make it one of the most visited climate truther anti-science conspiracy blogs on the net.
 
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Threegoofs said:
Yes- clearly central Greenland temps are quite similar to average temps around the world, and to back that up, you've got testimony from a denier in the comments section of a blog.
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If someone is prepared to believe the current global average temperature is about -28C (top of the Greenland ice sheet), they'll believe anything. (including perhaps "6 impossible things before breakfast"?)

Josh's ridiculous WUWT cartoon has a huge "off the charts cold" swing during the Younger Dryas event representing the global average temperature. Temperatures reached about -50C locally at the top of the Greenland icesheet according to Alley's GISP2 ice-core data. (remember Josh apparently just arbitrarily divided the GISP2 temperatures by 4 in his efforts to try to 'scale' the data (aka completely fudge it and misuse it) to within a ~4C global average temperature change from the end of the Last Glacial Maximum to pre-industrial times.

But, Globally it was only about a 0.6C net cooling swing.

"Plotting Younger Dryas temperature and climate anomalies
against latitude shows that climate anomalies increased in
magnitude toward the poles with opposite signs in the
Northern and Southern Hemispheres (Figure 7) (Shakun and
Carlson, 2010), reflecting the bipolar seesaw response (Blunier
and Brook, 2001). Nevertheless, greater cooling at high northern
latitudes than warming at high southern latitudes results in
a net global cooling of 0.6 C likely caused by more extensive
snow and sea-ice cover increasing Northern Hemisphere
albedo during the Younger Dryas (Shakun and Carlson, 2010)."

Reference:
“The Younger Dryas Climate Event.” In Elias, S.A. (ed.) The Encyclopedia of Quaternary Science vol. 3 (pp. 126-134). Amsterdam : Elsevier.
http://people.oregonstate.edu/~carlsand/carlson_encyclopedia_Quat_2013_YD.pdf
 
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Below was one of my first posts on this subforum. I posted the Richard Alley lectures because a few people were posting some of the usual ignorant science-denier myth claims about ice-ages and CO2 and misrepresenting his research. Apparently they couldn't be bothered to take the time to watch the lectures to learn anything - because they already know "THE TRUTH!" - probably from 'studying' anti-science conspiracy blogs like WUWT. :shock:

Quaestio said:
Sorry to interrupt guys, but wouldn't it make sense to see what one of the main experts who actually did the ice-core research says?

The second 2009 AGU lecture is longer and more detailed, but the first shorter lecture from the National Academy of Sciences Symposium this year mentions more recent work since 2009. Both are very informative.

Professor Richard Alley lecture at the National Academy of Sciences - 2015 Symposium



Professor Richard Alley lecture at the AGU conference 2009




Here is Alley's CV.
Curriculum Vitae - Richard Alley
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Note that these lectures by Professor Alley are based on evidence from a broad range of published research from different fields. Alley is not just pulling 'opinions' out of his butt.
 
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Quaestio said:
If someone is prepared to believe the current global average temperature is about -28C (top of the Greenland ice sheet), they'll believe anything. (including perhaps "6 impossible things before breakfast"?)

Josh's ridiculous WUWT cartoon has a huge "off the charts cold" swing during the Younger Dryas event representing the global average temperature. Temperatures reached about -50C locally at the top of the Greenland icesheet according to Alley's GISP2 ice-core data. (remember Josh apparently just arbitrarily divided the GISP2 temperatures by 4 in his efforts to try to 'scale' the data (aka completely fudge it and misuse it) to within a ~4C global average temperature change from the end of the Last Glacial Maximum to pre-industrial times.

But, Globally it was only about a 0.6C net cooling swing.

"Plotting Younger Dryas temperature and climate anomalies
against latitude shows that climate anomalies increased in
magnitude toward the poles with opposite signs in the
Northern and Southern Hemispheres (Figure 7) (Shakun and
Carlson, 2010), reflecting the bipolar seesaw response (Blunier
and Brook, 2001). Nevertheless, greater cooling at high northern
latitudes than warming at high southern latitudes results in
a net global cooling of 0.6 C likely caused by more extensive
snow and sea-ice cover increasing Northern Hemisphere
albedo during the Younger Dryas (Shakun and Carlson, 2010)."

Reference:
“The Younger Dryas Climate Event.” In Elias, S.A. (ed.) The Encyclopedia of Quaternary Science vol. 3 (pp. 126-134). Amsterdam : Elsevier.
http://people.oregonstate.edu/~carlsand/carlson_encyclopedia_Quat_2013_YD.pdf
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Quaestio said:
Below was one of my first posts on this subforum. I posted the Richard Alley lectures because a few people were posting some of the usual ignorant science-denier myth claims about ice-ages and CO2 and misrepresenting his research. Apparently they couldn't be bothered to take the time to watch the lectures to learn anything - because they already know "THE TRUTH!" - probably from 'studying' anti-science conspiracy blogs like WUWT. :shock:



Note that these lectures by Professor Alley are based on evidence from a broad range of published research from different fields. Alley is not just pulling 'opinions' out of his butt.
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Interesting and informative posts but not important in the matter of competing cartoons.
 
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[h=1]XKCD’s Cri de Coeur[/h]Guest essay by David Archibald Even people who are logical enough to write software, and gifted enough to work on research projects at NASA, feel the need to believe in something beyond themselves. Otherwise their meaningless lives would feel shallow, hollow, depressing and purposeless. Some have chucked over the Bible but still cling to a…
 
Jack Hays said:
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[h=1]XKCD’s Cri de Coeur[/h]Guest essay by David Archibald Even people who are logical enough to write software, and gifted enough to work on research projects at NASA, feel the need to believe in something beyond themselves. Otherwise their meaningless lives would feel shallow, hollow, depressing and purposeless. Some have chucked over the Bible but still cling to a…
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That cartoon has always been a puzzler to me if it is meant to sell the horrors of global warming: "Remember the good old days when bitter cold was more common?"

In reality, the number of no nos in that comic (regional climate isn't global climate, short trends are not predictors of future trends, etc etc.) just point to it being propaganda targeting the ignorant rather than a real contribution to the science debate.
 
jmotivator said:
That cartoon has always been a puzzler to me if it is meant to sell the horrors of global warming: "Remember the good old days when bitter cold was more common?"

In reality, the number of no nos in that comic (regional climate isn't global climate, short trends are not predictors of future trends, etc etc.) just point to it being propaganda targeting the ignorant rather than a real contribution to the science debate.
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While I'm sure you consider cartoons 'real contributions to the science debate', I'm fairly certain that it was not meant to contribute scientific data to the issue.
 
Threegoofs said:
While I'm sure you consider cartoons 'real contributions to the science debate', I'm fairly certain that it was not meant to contribute scientific data to the issue.
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The link in #116 puts XKCD and his cartoon out to pasture.
 
Threegoofs said:
While I'm sure you consider cartoons 'real contributions to the science debate', I'm fairly certain that it was not meant to contribute scientific data to the issue.
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HAHAHAA!!

Glad you admit that you aren't contributing to the scientific debate by posting XKCD cartoons and claiming they "nail it"! :lamo

Nail what, I must now ask, if you don't think they are contributing to the climate debate on this debate site? :roll:
 
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