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Carbon Emissions: Tesla Model S vs Ford Fusion

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In which I show the math.

The claim is often made that e-cars like the Tesla help the planet. It's also cheaper to operate since charging a Tesla's batteries is cheaper than a tank of gas.

But to the greenies among us the relevant comparison isn't the cost of fuel but carbon emissions.

The electricity we use to charge an e-car is on the average made up of this mix of power sources in the US:

Coal - 34% , Carbon emitted by coal - 909 g per kW-h.
Natural Gas - 39%, Carbon emitted by natural gas - 465 g per kW-h
Oil - 0.6%%, Carbon emitted by oil - 821 g per kW-h
Solar - 1%, Carbon emitted by solar - 105 g per kW-h
Wind - 3%, Carbon emitted by wind - 13 g per kW-h
Nuclear - 20%, Carbon emitted by nuclear - 6 g per kW-h

A weighted average of the above gives us 499 g per kW-h

The Tesla Model S gets 3.22 miles per kW-h. That's 31.1 kW-h to go 100 miles, and thus 15.5 kg of carbon is emitted at the generator plant on the average to power this car for 100 miles.

For the Fusion, which gets 20 miles to the gallon, it would need 5 gallons to go 100 miles, which when burned emits 2.48 kg of carbon per gallon or 12.8 kg of carbon for 5 gallons to go 100 miles.

So an ordinary gasoline powered car that doesn't even have gas mileage that's very good emits less than the Tesla. It's just that the emission takes place at some place other than the car. The Tesla is causing the emission of as much carbon as a car that gets 16.5 miles per gallon.

For the Ford Hybrid Fusion, which gets 40 miles to the gallon, it beats the Tesla by quite a margin: 6.4 vs 15.5 kg of carbon emitted per 100 miles of travel.

Keep in mind that 1 gram of carbon equates to 3.66 g of carbon dioxide when making comparisons.

Any corrections of the math or questions about my sources for these numbers are welcome.

The power mix data comes from 1 kilowatt-hour · BlueSkyModel and Electricity Data Browser
The figure for Tesla electricity consumption comes from https://forums.tesla.com/forum/forums/how-many-kms-can-tesla-model-s-2013-travel-1-kwh
Ford Fusion mileage data comes from Ford ? New Cars, Trucks, SUVs, Hybrids & Crossovers | Ford Vehicles
Cost to charge a Tesla model S: https://www.tesla.com/models

Of course, this analysis leaves out the carbon footprint of building and disposing of the vehicles, but I suspect that would just leave the Tesla further behind.

And also, if you get your power from a company that uses 100% renewables, nuclear, or other low or non emitting power sources then you're golden if you own a Tesla and have the right to be a smug as you like. I know that in Houston I see a number of Teslas on the road, and most of the power in Houston comes from burning coal.

Also, compare the cost of charging the Tesla with 100 miles worth of electricity ($4.01) to the cost of 5 gallons of gas. There's no question that the Tesla is cheaper to fuel!

It doesn't look like Tesla is claiming that their cars help the planet by emitting no carbon. Instead, they talk about sustainability, which may be a valid claim if the switch from carbon fuels to renewables and nuclear continues. But we are not there yet.
 
In which I show the math.

The claim is often made that e-cars like the Tesla help the planet. It's also cheaper to operate since charging a Tesla's batteries is cheaper than a tank of gas.

But to the greenies among us the relevant comparison isn't the cost of fuel but carbon emissions.

The electricity we use to charge an e-car is on the average made up of this mix of power sources in the US:

Coal - 34% , Carbon emitted by coal - 909 g per kW-h.
Natural Gas - 39%, Carbon emitted by natural gas - 465 g per kW-h
Oil - 0.6%%, Carbon emitted by oil - 821 g per kW-h
Solar - 1%, Carbon emitted by solar - 105 g per kW-h
Wind - 3%, Carbon emitted by wind - 13 g per kW-h
Nuclear - 20%, Carbon emitted by nuclear - 6 g per kW-h

A weighted average of the above gives us 499 g per kW-h

The Tesla Model S gets 3.22 miles per kW-h. That's 31.1 kW-h to go 100 miles, and thus 15.5 kg of carbon is emitted at the generator plant on the average to power this car for 100 miles.

For the Fusion, which gets 20 miles to the gallon, it would need 5 gallons to go 100 miles, which when burned emits 2.48 kg of carbon per gallon or 12.8 kg of carbon for 5 gallons to go 100 miles.

So an ordinary gasoline powered car that doesn't even have gas mileage that's very good emits less than the Tesla. It's just that the emission takes place at some place other than the car. The Tesla is causing the emission of as much carbon as a car that gets 16.5 miles per gallon.

For the Ford Hybrid Fusion, which gets 40 miles to the gallon, it beats the Tesla by quite a margin: 6.4 vs 15.5 kg of carbon emitted per 100 miles of travel.

Keep in mind that 1 gram of carbon equates to 3.66 g of carbon dioxide when making comparisons.

Any corrections of the math or questions about my sources for these numbers are welcome.

The power mix data comes from 1 kilowatt-hour · BlueSkyModel and Electricity Data Browser
The figure for Tesla electricity consumption comes from https://forums.tesla.com/forum/forums/how-many-kms-can-tesla-model-s-2013-travel-1-kwh
Ford Fusion mileage data comes from Ford ? New Cars, Trucks, SUVs, Hybrids & Crossovers | Ford Vehicles
Cost to charge a Tesla model S: https://www.tesla.com/models

Of course, this analysis leaves out the carbon footprint of building and disposing of the vehicles, but I suspect that would just leave the Tesla further behind.

And also, if you get your power from a company that uses 100% renewables, nuclear, or other low or non emitting power sources then you're golden if you own a Tesla and have the right to be a smug as you like. I know that in Houston I see a number of Teslas on the road, and most of the power in Houston comes from burning coal.

Also, compare the cost of charging the Tesla with 100 miles worth of electricity ($4.01) to the cost of 5 gallons of gas. There's no question that the Tesla is cheaper to fuel!

It doesn't look like Tesla is claiming that their cars help the planet by emitting no carbon. Instead, they talk about sustainability, which may be a valid claim if the switch from carbon fuels to renewables and nuclear continues. But we are not there yet.

Thank you. Good write up. The conclusion seems regiinal.
It depends where the Tesla is fed. I saw a similar calculation for Germany, where the Tesla is far better than other sports cars or SUVs, if filled up on a sunny or windy day.
 
Hydro-power rules where I live.
 
Sounds to me like you've outlined a case to stop using coal.

Couldn't agree more.

Except not everyone agrees CO2 from fossil fuel burning is a problem.
 
Sounds to me like you've outlined a case to stop using coal.

Couldn't agree more.

I await your detailed plan for how we do that (without destroying our economy).
 
In which I show the math.

The claim is often made that e-cars like the Tesla help the planet. It's also cheaper to operate since charging a Tesla's batteries is cheaper than a tank of gas.

But to the greenies among us the relevant comparison isn't the cost of fuel but carbon emissions.

The electricity we use to charge an e-car is on the average made up of this mix of power sources in the US:

Coal - 34% , Carbon emitted by coal - 909 g per kW-h.
Natural Gas - 39%, Carbon emitted by natural gas - 465 g per kW-h
Oil - 0.6%%, Carbon emitted by oil - 821 g per kW-h
Solar - 1%, Carbon emitted by solar - 105 g per kW-h
Wind - 3%, Carbon emitted by wind - 13 g per kW-h
Nuclear - 20%, Carbon emitted by nuclear - 6 g per kW-h

A weighted average of the above gives us 499 g per kW-h

The Tesla Model S gets 3.22 miles per kW-h. That's 31.1 kW-h to go 100 miles, and thus 15.5 kg of carbon is emitted at the generator plant on the average to power this car for 100 miles.

For the Fusion, which gets 20 miles to the gallon, it would need 5 gallons to go 100 miles, which when burned emits 2.48 kg of carbon per gallon or 12.8 kg of carbon for 5 gallons to go 100 miles.

So an ordinary gasoline powered car that doesn't even have gas mileage that's very good emits less than the Tesla. It's just that the emission takes place at some place other than the car. The Tesla is causing the emission of as much carbon as a car that gets 16.5 miles per gallon.

For the Ford Hybrid Fusion, which gets 40 miles to the gallon, it beats the Tesla by quite a margin: 6.4 vs 15.5 kg of carbon emitted per 100 miles of travel.

Keep in mind that 1 gram of carbon equates to 3.66 g of carbon dioxide when making comparisons.

Any corrections of the math or questions about my sources for these numbers are welcome.

The power mix data comes from 1 kilowatt-hour · BlueSkyModel and Electricity Data Browser
The figure for Tesla electricity consumption comes from https://forums.tesla.com/forum/forums/how-many-kms-can-tesla-model-s-2013-travel-1-kwh
Ford Fusion mileage data comes from Ford ? New Cars, Trucks, SUVs, Hybrids & Crossovers | Ford Vehicles
Cost to charge a Tesla model S: https://www.tesla.com/models

Of course, this analysis leaves out the carbon footprint of building and disposing of the vehicles, but I suspect that would just leave the Tesla further behind.

And also, if you get your power from a company that uses 100% renewables, nuclear, or other low or non emitting power sources then you're golden if you own a Tesla and have the right to be a smug as you like. I know that in Houston I see a number of Teslas on the road, and most of the power in Houston comes from burning coal.

Also, compare the cost of charging the Tesla with 100 miles worth of electricity ($4.01) to the cost of 5 gallons of gas. There's no question that the Tesla is cheaper to fuel!

It doesn't look like Tesla is claiming that their cars help the planet by emitting no carbon. Instead, they talk about sustainability, which may be a valid claim if the switch from carbon fuels to renewables and nuclear continues. But we are not there yet.

Yup. Been saying this for years. Those big batteries are absolutely awful as well. Difficult to cleanly dispose of, and we do tremendous environmental damage in the process of building them. Electric cars also have a shorter lifespan, which means your average person will go through more of them than they would a gas or diesel car.

People seem to think that just because nothing is coming out of their tail pipe, that means there is no pollution. They don't seem to get that it took a lot of very unclean resources to build that car, it takes a lot of very unclean resources to power them, and the methods of disposing of them after their (comparatively short) lifespans are up is basically "Uh... let's just stick it over here until we figure out what to do with it."

Electric cars are an empty social statement, not an honest green technology. That is not going to change until we either start employing clean energy production methods, or come up with something that doesn't run on a traditional battery. Preferably both.

And we can do that. We have a number of technologies stalled in development due to funding shortfall that CAN do that. And we're wasting money and resources on big power-sucking batteries filled with toxic sludge. It makes no sense to me at all.

The greenest car you can own, at this point in time, is probably a fuel-efficient modern diesel, in as small a size as you can get away with, and then you drive it until it falls apart. That will be an easy 10 years. Longer if you maintain it. An electric will be lucky to make it to 5.
 
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In which I show the math.

The claim is often made that e-cars like the Tesla help the planet. It's also cheaper to operate since charging a Tesla's batteries is cheaper than a tank of gas.

But to the greenies among us the relevant comparison isn't the cost of fuel but carbon emissions.

The electricity we use to charge an e-car is on the average made up of this mix of power sources in the US:

Coal - 34% , Carbon emitted by coal - 909 g per kW-h.
Natural Gas - 39%, Carbon emitted by natural gas - 465 g per kW-h
Oil - 0.6%%, Carbon emitted by oil - 821 g per kW-h
Solar - 1%, Carbon emitted by solar - 105 g per kW-h
Wind - 3%, Carbon emitted by wind - 13 g per kW-h
Nuclear - 20%, Carbon emitted by nuclear - 6 g per kW-h

A weighted average of the above gives us 499 g per kW-h

The Tesla Model S gets 3.22 miles per kW-h. That's 31.1 kW-h to go 100 miles, and thus 15.5 kg of carbon is emitted at the generator plant on the average to power this car for 100 miles.

For the Fusion, which gets 20 miles to the gallon, it would need 5 gallons to go 100 miles, which when burned emits 2.48 kg of carbon per gallon or 12.8 kg of carbon for 5 gallons to go 100 miles.

So an ordinary gasoline powered car that doesn't even have gas mileage that's very good emits less than the Tesla. It's just that the emission takes place at some place other than the car. The Tesla is causing the emission of as much carbon as a car that gets 16.5 miles per gallon.

For the Ford Hybrid Fusion, which gets 40 miles to the gallon, it beats the Tesla by quite a margin: 6.4 vs 15.5 kg of carbon emitted per 100 miles of travel.

Keep in mind that 1 gram of carbon equates to 3.66 g of carbon dioxide when making comparisons.

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I'll echo other's posts as to an excellent post and analysis.

The one thing that is usually not incorporated in analysis such as this the environmental impact of manufacture. If you accept the premise that the Tesla Model S and other cars are constructed of similar materials and methods, this pretty much factors out most everything except the batteries.

Environmental concerns and recycling

Since Li-ion batteries contain less toxic metals than other types of batteries which may contain lead or cadmium[SUP][69][/SUP] they are generally categorized as non-hazardous waste. Li-ion battery elements including iron, copper, nickel and cobalt are considered safe for incinerators and landfills. These metals can be recycled,[SUP][146][/SUP][SUP][147][/SUP] but mining generally remains cheaper than recycling.[SUP][148][/SUP] At present, not much is invested into recycling Li-ion batteries due to costs, complexities and low yield. The most expensive metal involved in the construction of the cell is cobalt. Lithium iron phosphate is cheaper but has other drawbacks. Lithium is less expensive than other metals used, but recycling could prevent a future shortage.[SUP][146][/SUP] The manufacturing processes of nickel and cobalt for the positive electrode and also the solvent, present potential environmental and health hazards.[SUP][149][/SUP][SUP][150][/SUP] Manufacturing a kg of LiOn battery takes energy equivalent to 1.6 kg of oil.[SUP][151][/SUP]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery#Environmental_concerns_and_recycling

So need to add 1.6kg of oil for each kg of LiOn battery.

The 85 kWh battery pack weighs 1,200 lb (540 kg)[SUP][86][/SUP][SUP][better source needed][/SUP] and contains 7,104 lithium-ion battery cells in 16 modules[SUP][87][/SUP] wired in series (14 in the flat section and two stacked on the front).[SUP][88][/SUP]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Model_S#Battery

So that'd be an additional 864 kg of oil consumed in battery manufacture.
 
In which I show the math.

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Also, compare the cost of charging the Tesla with 100 miles worth of electricity ($4.01) to the cost of 5 gallons of gas. There's no question that the Tesla is cheaper to fuel!

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Taxes (state average of $,25/gal and federal of about $.18/gal) alone on those 5 gallons of gas is likely over $2 and should be much higher (these "highway tax" rates are not adjusted for inflation or increases in vehicle mpg).

I would still take a very long time to recover the ($50K?) purchase price difference of a Tesla S over a Ford Fusion.
 
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