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Our potential neverending American hot summer

Threegoofs said:
Yes,yes they have.

I just outlined the main one for you....which is a pretty huge one.
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No, a "warmest month" is both a dubious claim, not a prediction --anymore than months that don't set records are predicted-- and not nearly "huge" in such a short observational record given the wide variability of climate over the even the last 400,000 years.
 
jmotivator said:
No, a "warmest month" is both a dubious claim, not a prediction --anymore than months that don't set records are predicted-- and not nearly "huge" in such a short observational record given the wide variability of climate over the even the last 400,000 years.
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Yes, it is directly akin to claims of "hottest blah blah blah on record".
 
cpwill said:
Nah. If CO2 is responsible, we simply need something capable of stripping it from the air.

But if we imposed all of the measures proposed, and really slammed a lid shut on the economy, according to the models, the effect would be..... minimal.
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Nope. The effect would be substantial, and it wouldn't necessarily slam the economy, outside of the Middle East and Russia.
 
jmotivator said:
No, a "warmest month" is both a dubious claim, not a prediction --anymore than months that don't set records are predicted-- and not nearly "huge" in such a short observational record given the wide variability of climate over the even the last 400,000 years.
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The prediction was that this would be a time of unprecedented warmth.

And it is.
 
Threegoofs said:
Nope. The effect would be substantial, and it wouldn't necessarily slam the economy, outside of the Middle East and Russia.
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Define 'substantial', then explain what you mean by 'it wouldn't necessarily slam the economy.'
 
Fletch said:
Define 'substantial', then explain what you mean by 'it wouldn't necessarily slam the economy.'
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IIRC, the "substantial" was something along the line of an average of 0.1 Degree Farenheight cooler. by 2100.
 
Threegoofs said:
While I realize you think splitting semantic hairs is important, I think you're missing the point.
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No, I think you are missing the point, or purposely muddying it. "Record" temperatures pull from maybe 100 years of somewhat dependable observational data while "Unprecedented" temperatures claim all time. The MWP shows that such temperatures are not in fact unprecedented, making your statement untrue.

Heck, some might say that starting the rcord at the very end of the Little Ice Age is thumbing the scale in the first place.
 
jmotivator said:
No, I think you are missing the point, or purposely muddying it. "Record" temperatures pull from maybe 100 years of somewhat dependable observational data while "Unprecedented" temperatures claim all time. The MWP shows that such temperatures are not in fact unprecedented, making your statement untrue.

Heck, some might say that starting the rcord at the very end of the Little Ice Age is thumbing the scale in the first place.
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Well, the MWP probably wasn't global.

The LIA was a minor blip compared to today's warming and the expected warming in the next decades.

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jmotivator said:
No, I think you are missing the point, or purposely muddying it. "Record" temperatures pull from maybe 100 years of somewhat dependable observational data while "Unprecedented" temperatures claim all time. The MWP shows that such temperatures are not in fact unprecedented, making your statement untrue.

Heck, some might say that starting the rcord at the very end of the Little Ice Age is thumbing the scale in the first place.
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It is even worse than that, as I have pointed out, there has been no increase in US summer Maximum readings.
The summer average increase has all been in evening lows T-Min being warmer.
Analysis of diurnal air temperature range change in the continental United States
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Threegoofs said:
Well, the MWP probably wasn't global.

The LIA was a minor blip compared to today's warming and the expected warming in the next decades.

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Since you started this thread, I assume you wrote the title,
Our potential never ending American hot summer
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And now you want to talk about Global temperatures, in a thread about American,
that you started!
 
longview said:
Since you started this thread, I assume you wrote the title,

And now you want to talk about Global temperatures, in a thread about American,
that you started!
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Seems like you'd complain that jmotivator is talking about a MWP that didn't exist in America.

But then again, deniers have to stick together...they don't have much else to support them!
 
Threegoofs said:
Well, the MWP probably wasn't global.

The LIA was a minor blip compared to today's warming and the expected warming in the next decades.

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Pages 2K and Marcott?!?:lamo

[h=1]Baffin Island study disappoints: The illusive ‘coup de grace’ on the Medieval Warm Period[/h]Guest essay by Sebastian Lüning Big news on 4. December 2015 by the Earth Institute of Columbia University. In a press release the institute claimed that climate and human history has to be re-written and climate had no major influence on Viking settlement on Greenland: Study Undercuts Idea That ‘Medieval Warm Period’ Was Global Vikings…

January 18, 2016 in MedievalWarmPeriod, Paleoclimatology.
[h=1]Evidence of the Medieval Warm Period in Australia, New Zealand and Oceania[/h]By Sebastian Lüning Geoscientist and co-author of ‘The neglected Sun’ The climate of the pre-industrial past is of greatest importance to the ongoing climate discussion. Current climate can only be understood when interpreting it in the paleoclimatological context of the past few thousand years. Until not too long ago it was thought that the pre-industrial…

January 9, 2016 in MedievalWarmPeriod, Paleoclimatology.
 
Jack Hays said:
Pages 2K and Marcott?!?:lamo

[h=1]Baffin Island study disappoints: The illusive ‘coup de grace’ on the Medieval Warm Period[/h]Guest essay by Sebastian Lüning Big news on 4. December 2015 by the Earth Institute of Columbia University. In a press release the institute claimed that climate and human history has to be re-written and climate had no major influence on Viking settlement on Greenland: Study Undercuts Idea That ‘Medieval Warm Period’ Was Global Vikings…

January 18, 2016 in MedievalWarmPeriod, Paleoclimatology.
[h=1]Evidence of the Medieval Warm Period in Australia, New Zealand and Oceania[/h]By Sebastian Lüning Geoscientist and co-author of ‘The neglected Sun’ The climate of the pre-industrial past is of greatest importance to the ongoing climate discussion. Current climate can only be understood when interpreting it in the paleoclimatological context of the past few thousand years. Until not too long ago it was thought that the pre-industrial…

January 9, 2016 in MedievalWarmPeriod, Paleoclimatology.
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Two landmark scientific papers vs. denier blog post.
 
Threegoofs said:
While I realize you think splitting semantic hairs is important, I think you're missing the point.
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He posted a 2003 story from the UK Telegraph referring to the Soon and Baliunus paper.

Remember the controversial industry funded paper that was so flawed it caused 5 editors to resign?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soon_and_Baliunas_controversy

Anyone still using that paper to support their views must really want to delude themselves.
 
Quaestio said:
He posted a 2003 story from the UK Telegraph referring to the Soon and Baliunus paper.

Remember the controversial industry funded paper that was so flawed it caused 5 editors to resign?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soon_and_Baliunas_controversy

Anyone still using that paper to support their views must really want to delude themselves.
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Hilarious.

That's why I don't even bother to click the links anymore.

It's a constant stream of crap.
 
Quaestio said:
He posted a 2003 story from the UK Telegraph referring to the Soon and Baliunus paper.

Remember the controversial industry funded paper that was so flawed it caused 5 editors to resign?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soon_and_Baliunas_controversy

Anyone still using that paper to support their views must really want to delude themselves.
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Threegoofs said:
Hilarious.

That's why I don't even bother to click the links anymore.

It's a constant stream of crap.
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Classic "paradigm protection."
 
Threegoofs said:
Seems like you'd complain that jmotivator is talking about a MWP that didn't exist in America.

But then again, deniers have to stick together...they don't have much else to support them!
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Actually the data does not support warmer highs in summers in the US, so the entire premise of the article is incorrect.
 
Threegoofs said:
Well, the MWP probably wasn't global.

The LIA was a minor blip compared to today's warming and the expected warming in the next decades.

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It has already been pointed out to you over and over that the last 150 years of the Marcott reconstruction is, by Marcott's own admission, not statistically significant and unusable as a comparison. So thanks for proving that Marcott's reconstruction shows the MWP is warmer than recorded temperatures and shows the current temps are not "unprecedented".
 
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