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Steyn on Mann: A Disgrace to the Profession [W:455]

Threegoofs said:
Right. And you're saying (err parroting) Mann is delaying because he's afraid to testify.

The references show that he asked to move to discovery but the court would not allow it because the other defendants are still appealing.

Looks to me like it's a way for Steyn to save money on lawyers and pretend he's brave instead of a scumbag while someone else does the hard work.
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MM moved for discovery against Steyn but objected to Steyn's discovery against him.
 
The ugly public behavior of Michael Mann continues.

Opinion
[h=1]A response to being Mann-handled[/h] Full Disclosure – by Tim Ball and Anthony Watts In a recent set of Tweets (seen in the image above) Dr. Michael Mann of ‘hockey stick’ infamy, accused Tim Ball and Anthony Watts of supporting the theories of Immanuel Velikovsky. He based his claim on an article about scientific elitism [Ball] wrote that Anthony Watts…
 
Jack Hays said:
The ugly public behavior of Michael Mann continues.

Opinion
[h=1]A response to being Mann-handled[/h] Full Disclosure – by Tim Ball and Anthony Watts In a recent set of Tweets (seen in the image above) Dr. Michael Mann of ‘hockey stick’ infamy, accused Tim Ball and Anthony Watts of supporting the theories of Immanuel Velikovsky. He based his claim on an article about scientific elitism [Ball] wrote that Anthony Watts…
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Since I wont click on spam, I can only infer that 'ugly public behavior' must mean something worse than accusing someone as a child molester and smearing them as commiting fraud in their chosen profession.

I trust you'll comment on the ugly public behavior outlined here: HotWhopper: Vicious attacks on Michael Mann: More smears from Mark Steyn and Anthony Watts' lynch mob
 
Threegoofs said:
According to...Steyn?
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Steyn is not a party to the anti-SLAPP appeal, which is the source of the procedural delay behind which MM hides. Steyn declined to appeal in order to bring on the trial. When that didn't work he filed his own suit to bring on the trial. But MM continues to hide behind the procedural delay.
 
Jack Hays said:
Steyn is not a party to the anti-SLAPP appeal, which is the source of the procedural delay behind which MM hides. Steyn declined to appeal in order to bring on the trial. When that didn't work he filed his own suit to bring on the trial. But MM continues to hide behind the procedural delay.
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The courts are prohibiting discovery.
 
Threegoofs said:
According to...Steyn, a known liar.
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I hope you realize everyone notices that your posts are never on point or have any substance.
The uncomfortable ones you skip entirely.
Let's try again ...

Phil Jones wrote to Mike Mann asking ...

“Mike, can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4 ?”
“Keith will do likewise. … We will be getting Caspar to do likewise. I see that CA claim they discovered the 1945 problem in the Nature paper!!” .

Did Mann delete those emails?
Why was it so important for everyone to delete them?
Also, just what was the 1945 problem in the Nature paper that Phil Jones didn't want anyone to know about?
Is there ever an excuse for scientists to delete data or correspondence?
 
bubbabgone said:
I hope you realize everyone notices that your posts are never on point or have any substance.
The uncomfortable ones you skip entirely.
Let's try again ...

Phil Jones wrote to Mike Mann asking ...

“Mike, can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4 ?”
“Keith will do likewise. … We will be getting Caspar to do likewise. I see that CA claim they discovered the 1945 problem in the Nature paper!!” .

Did Mann delete those emails?
Why was it so important for everyone to delete them?
Also, just what was the 1945 problem in the Nature paper that Phil Jones didn't want anyone to know about?
Is there ever an excuse for scientists to delete data or correspondence?
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Those correspondences were related to yoga routines. How to twist data into pretzel-like positions - stuff like that.
 
bubbabgone said:
I hope you realize everyone notices that your posts are never on point or have any substance.
The uncomfortable ones you skip entirely.
Let's try again ...

Phil Jones wrote to Mike Mann asking ...

“Mike, can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4 ?”
“Keith will do likewise. … We will be getting Caspar to do likewise. I see that CA claim they discovered the 1945 problem in the Nature paper!!” .

Did Mann delete those emails?
Why was it so important for everyone to delete them?
Also, just what was the 1945 problem in the Nature paper that Phil Jones didn't want anyone to know about?
Is there ever an excuse for scientists to delete data or correspondence?
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Yes, we know you obsess over snippets of stolen emails from a half decade ago which were private correspondence between frustrated scientists undergoing harassment from amateur deniers.

Note that this is totally irrelevant to the topic of the thread, but I guess since you know very little about any topic related to climate, you have to regress everything to out of context emails.
 
bubbabgone said:
I hope you realize everyone notices that your posts are never on point or have any substance.
The uncomfortable ones you skip entirely.
Let's try again ...

Phil Jones wrote to Mike Mann asking ...

“Mike, can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4 ?”
“Keith will do likewise. … We will be getting Caspar to do likewise. I see that CA claim they discovered the 1945 problem in the Nature paper!!” .

Did Mann delete those emails?
Why was it so important for everyone to delete them?
Also, just what was the 1945 problem in the Nature paper that Phil Jones didn't want anyone to know about?
Is there ever an excuse for scientists to delete data or correspondence?
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Threegoofs said:
Yes, we know you obsess over snippets of stolen emails from a half decade ago which were private correspondence between frustrated scientists undergoing harassment from amateur deniers.

Note that this is totally irrelevant to the topic of the thread, but I guess since you know very little about any topic related to climate, you have to regress everything to out of context emails.
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heh heh. Predictability thy name is Threegoofs.

And you obsess over denying the undeniable. Those guys say those things to each other when they think no one will ever know.

Tell you what, how about you wrap those damaging emails in benign context and report them here (because they'd surely come up in Mann's trial).

But not the yoga positions context, Humbolt owns that one.

So what was in the emails that they wanted erased? Did Mann do it? Did Jones erase data rather than satisfy FOIA requests?
Such actions are a disgrace to the profession. Hey ... that's the theme of the thread!
 
humbolt said:
Those correspondences were related to yoga routines. How to twist data into pretzel-like positions - stuff like that.
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Hmmm....


I thought maybe they were related to a real circle jerk...
 
bubbabgone said:
heh heh. Predictability thy name is Threegoofs.

And you obsess over denying the undeniable. Those guys say those things to each other when they think no one will ever know.

Tell you what, how about you wrap those damaging emails in benign context and report them here (because they'd surely come up in Mann's trial).

But not the yoga positions context, Humbolt owns that one.

So what was in the emails that they wanted erased? Did Mann do it? Did Jones erase data rather than satisfy FOIA requests?
Such actions are a disgrace to the profession. Hey ... that's the theme of the thread!
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WTF?

The issue is the lawsuit.
 
Threegoofs said:
WTF?

The issue is the lawsuit.
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The thread title is a Disgrace to the profession and you're in avoidance mode yet again.
So what was in the emails that they wanted erased?
Did Mann do it?
Did Jones erase data rather than satisfy FOIA requests?
Wouldn't that be a disgrace to the profession?
 
bubbabgone said:
The thread title is a Disgrace to the profession and you're in avoidance mode yet again.
So what was in the emails that they wanted erased?
Did Mann do it?
Did Jones erase data rather than satisfy FOIA requests?
Wouldn't that be a disgrace to the profession?
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Absolutely.
 
Just for fun . . .

[h=1]BREAKING: Mann Quits Climate Science[/h] Posted on 07 May 16 by Brad Keyes • 1 Comment
Love him or hate him, Michael E. Mann will leave an irreparable hole in science. Reliable as ever, the NYT has the definitive coverage of today’s shock reveal that Mann will recuse himself from the climate debate: Washington, D.C.—Michael Mann, Distinguished Professor of Meteorology at Penn State University, has used an appearance in the nation’s … Continue reading →
 
Jack Hays said:
Just for fun . . .

[h=1]BREAKING: Mann Quits Climate Science[/h] Posted on 07 May 16 by Brad Keyes • 1 Comment
Love him or hate him, Michael E. Mann will leave an irreparable hole in science. Reliable as ever, the NYT has the definitive coverage of today’s shock reveal that Mann will recuse himself from the climate debate: Washington, D.C.—Michael Mann, Distinguished Professor of Meteorology at Penn State University, has used an appearance in the nation’s … Continue reading →
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I thought the comment his wife made - and I'm paraphrasing here - that he sleep on it before making a decision in the next 20 years or so was both well said and humorous! :thumbs:

Off topic, but I'm leaving now to tour the Hershey Chocolate facility in PA with my daughter as a Mother's Day gift. Remarkable that she understands me sooooo well! :lamo Later...
 
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[h=1]Mann Retirement: Analysis, Reax[/h] Posted on 08 May 16 by Brad Keyes • 6 Comments
As we wrote yesterday, love him or hate him, you have to agree that Dr Michael E. Mann has left an incurable ulcer on the body of science. Now that the news of his retirement has had time to sink in we’re seeing the first attempts to grapple with Mann’s titanic impact. Here’s what some … Continue reading →
 
Jack Hays said:
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[h=1]Mann Retirement: Analysis, Reax[/h] Posted on 08 May 16 by Brad Keyes • 6 Comments
As we wrote yesterday, love him or hate him, you have to agree that Dr Michael E. Mann has left an incurable ulcer on the body of science. Now that the news of his retirement has had time to sink in we’re seeing the first attempts to grapple with Mann’s titanic impact. Here’s what some … Continue reading →
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"Thanks to Mann’s pioneering work, nobody serious would hesitate to treat bristlecone tree rings as temperature proxies these days. There’s agreement throughout the climate-science community that their usefulness more than outweighs any esoteric objections to their biological validity."

:lamo
 
Jack Hays said:
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[h=1]Mann Retirement: Analysis, Reax[/h] Posted on 08 May 16 by Brad Keyes • 6 Comments
As we wrote yesterday, love him or hate him, you have to agree that Dr Michael E. Mann has left an incurable ulcer on the body of science. Now that the news of his retirement has had time to sink in we’re seeing the first attempts to grapple with Mann’s titanic impact. Here’s what some … Continue reading →
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Mann comparing himself to Richard Feynman made me a little nauseous.
 
Update: libel cases and the ‘climate wars’

Posted on February 14, 2018 | 27 comments
by Judith Curry

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. . . The latest award bestowed upon [Michael] Mann: the AAAS has decided in 2018 to give him its prestigious award for Public Engagement with Science. . . .

Roger Pielke Jr is not pleased — AAAS Sends a Message. Excerpts:
I find this remarkable. Who is Dr. Mann?

  • He Tweets all day about Donald Trump, typically calling him names and mocking him. Mann writes dozens and dozens of Tweets about Trump every day.
  • He has suggested, on more than one occasion, that the death penalty is appropriate for a Republican member of Congress.
  • He has worked hard to have people he disagrees with fired from their jobs and suffer career repercussions, including by directly contacting employers and leading public campaigns. He has had some success.
  • He has sued people he disagrees with, including a journalist and a fellow academic. His lawsuits have been criticized by leading newspapers, including the Washington Post: “Mann essentially claims that he can silence critics because he is ‘right’ … [his lawsuit will] chill the expression of opinion on a wide range of important scientific and public policy issues.”
  • He routinely excoriates individuals for being members of the Republican party and has expressed a desire for Congress to consist only of Democrats. He helps to run a Political Action Committee that has targeted several Republicans in Congress.
  • He routinely engages in name-calling, outright misrepresentation of others’ views and leads social media bullying against fellow academics.
Mann is fully entitled to his views and the use of whatever techniques he thinks appropriate to advance his extreme politics. He is certainly not alone in playing political hardball in 2018.
My issue here is not with Mann. It is with the decision by AAAS to single out Mann as someone who embodies our highest values of the scientific community: a role model to emulate who engages in behaviors to celebrate.
With this award, what message is AAAS sending to the scientific community and to the public?
The AAAS is telling us that engaging in hyper-partisan, gutter politics, targeted against Republicans and colleagues you disagree with, using unethical tactics, will be rewarded by leaders in the scientific community.
AAAS could work to help to defuse the pathological politicization of science. Instead, it has thrown some gasoline on the fire. . . .


 
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distraff said:
This guy is just a right-wing political journalist with no actual experience in climate science. There is a huge bias from this guy. What are the scientific criticisms of Mann's work?
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I own the book, see that it has NOTHING to do with Mr. Steyn's science qualifications since all he did was quote what Dr. Mann's critics say about him.
 
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