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Public school k-12

Luther said:
I'll answer for you since you avoided it, Again...(Forest Gump)

We need non typical policy

We need radical policy
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But we need to be VERY vague on the details!!!!! Lll
 
vegas giants said:
But we need to be VERY vague on the details!!!!! Lll
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"When you can walk on the rice paper without leaving a trace, then you'll be ready"(LOL)

Not until then
 
Luther said:
I have a entirely different take

Our problem is our very citizenry itself

Nothing good politically happens until we reform that

Americans need to learn to be Americans
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I'm sorry but you think it would be easier to change every single american into a different person than it would be to change one system? We could just jot down a few new rules for education, you would rather run some kind of propaganda campaign instead?

What about the parents and students with valid concerns? YouTube

If there is something actually wrong going on in schools is your solution to just carry on? Our standards for teaching are so low that this video above doesn't really surprise me. You act like paying teachers more will bankrupt us all, but if we keep paying such low wages we're going to keep having low quality teachers. Only a crazy person would take a job where they have to use their income to fund their own supplies.

I get that bootlickers like yourself have never ran into problems with authority, but kids are literally getting beat in some schools and you want to blame society? OP is right, education hasn't changed in over a hundred years, and it wouldn't be very difficult to change. Making every kid in America appreciate school? Yeah man good luck changing human nature.
 
Luther said:
I have a entirely different take
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It's not really different.
Our problem is our very citizenry itself

Nothing good politically happens until we reform that

Americans need to learn to be Americans
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what are the problems that are citizenry is they don't have time to think about this
 
Slyfox696 said:
I think people who regurgitate generalized talking points and don't bother to provide specifics or research specifics should shampoo my crotch.
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then you should probably never read my threads. I'm not interested in laying out an entire argument in the OP I'm interested in discussion if you can't do that this is probably not the website for you.
 
CLAX1911 said:
then you should probably never read my threads.
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So...you admit you vomit rhetoric without ever taking the time to think about how stupid it may be?

Well, I'll say this. I at least appreciate your honesty.

I'm not interested in laying out an entire argument in the OP
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And yet, you start the thread anyways...

I'm interested in discussion if you can't do that this is probably not the website for you.
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This discussion has been had numerous times, both here and elsewhere on the web.

See, the problem is your thread is started based on a stupid and faulty premise. Do some research to figure out why your initial post was stupid and faulty, come back, apologize, craft a better post, and I will be more than happy to discuss it with you all day. But if you're not going to show the slightest intellectual curiosity because it is easier to regurgitate rhetoric, then don't bother.
 
Slyfox696 said:
So...you admit you vomit rhetoric without ever taking the time to think about how stupid it may be?

Well, I'll say this. I at least appreciate your honesty.

And yet, you start the thread anyways...

This discussion has been had numerous times, both here and elsewhere on the web.

See, the problem is your thread is started based on a stupid and faulty premise. Do some research to figure out why your initial post was stupid and faulty, come back, apologize, craft a better post, and I will be more than happy to discuss it with you all day. But if you're not going to show the slightest intellectual curiosity because it is easier to regurgitate rhetoric, then don't bother.
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If you don't want to talk to me then don't.

I'm not going to read your lectures I don't give half a crap about what you have to say.
 
Izzy said:
I'm sorry but you think it would be easier to change every single american into a different person than it would be to change one system?
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What's the point of changing the system if the biggest hindrance to the system is never addressed?

Let's say your car stops running. Would you replace the entire engine before you filled up the empty gas tank?

We could just jot down a few new rules for education
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:lol:

Education is changing and adapting all the time.

What about the parents and students with valid concerns? YouTube
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I'm not watching your video, but I'm sure there are valid concerns. But let's fill the gas tank first and then we'll see what we can do about those valid concerns. Because it is entirely possible those concerns will melt away.

If there is something actually wrong going on in schools is your solution to just carry on?
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No, the solution is to change what is actually going wrong. And that's what Luther said.

Our standards for teaching are so low that this video above doesn't really surprise me.
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Our standards for parents and supporting education are so low, we get what we've put in.

You act like paying teachers more will bankrupt us all, but if we keep paying such low wages we're going to keep having low quality teachers.
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You could pay me $100,000 a year to teach 10 students a day, but if those 10 students are going home to an aunt that emotionally abuses them and an uncle who sexually abuses them because their parents are in jail on drug charges, and no one gives a rip if the student does their school work, it's not going to make that much of a difference. :shrug:

I do want to say, however, I'd love a pay raise.
Only a crazy person would take a job where they have to use their income to fund their own supplies.
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Fortunately, there are many of us who are that crazy. :)

I get that bootlickers like yourself have never ran into problems with authority, but kids are literally getting beat in some schools and you want to blame society?
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Kids are getting beat far more often at home by parents who actively downplay the value of an education.

Yes, let's put the blame where it rightfully belongs.

OP is right, education hasn't changed in over a hundred years
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Pure ignorance. The idea education hasn't changed in the last 10 years is completely stupid, let alone the last 100.

As I told Clax, if you're not going to bother to do even a modicum of research into the topic, why post?

Making every kid in America appreciate school? Yeah man good luck changing human nature.
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So...education, which is constantly changing and evolving, needs to keep changing, even though students and parents are not going to take it any more seriously.

And that's your solution to improving education?
 
CLAX1911 said:
If you don't want to talk to me then don't.

I'm not going to read your lectures I don't give half a crap about what you have to say.
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Just to be clear, you want to "start discussion" by vomiting ignorant rhetoric and have no intellectual curiosity to figure out why someone is pointing out the absurdity of your comments?

Just what kind of discussion were you wanting then?
 
Slyfox696 said:
Just to be clear, you want to "start discussion" by vomiting ignorant rhetoric and have no intellectual curiosity to figure out why someone is pointing out the absurdity of your comments?

Just what kind of discussion were you wanting then?
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If you don't want to talk to me then don't I couldn't possibly care less.
 
CLAX1911 said:
It's not really different.

what are the problems that are citizenry is they don't have time to think about this
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what are the problems that are citizenry is they don't have time to think about this
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I'm not following
 
Izzy said:
I'm sorry but you think it would be easier to change every single american into a different person than it would be to change one system? We could just jot down a few new rules for education, you would rather run some kind of propaganda campaign instead?

What about the parents and students with valid concerns? YouTube

If there is something actually wrong going on in schools is your solution to just carry on? Our standards for teaching are so low that this video above doesn't really surprise me. You act like paying teachers more will bankrupt us all, but if we keep paying such low wages we're going to keep having low quality teachers. Only a crazy person would take a job where they have to use their income to fund their own supplies.

I get that bootlickers like yourself have never ran into problems with authority, but kids are literally getting beat in some schools and you want to blame society? OP is right, education hasn't changed in over a hundred years, and it wouldn't be very difficult to change. Making every kid in America appreciate school? Yeah man good luck changing human nature.
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I'm sorry but you think it would be easier to change every single american into a different person than it would be to change one system?
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First of all, Education is a HUGE part of the REFORMATION I'm referring to

Teaching children on what it is to be an American early. Not just blow by it like now. In their hearts



If there is something actually wrong going on in schools is your solution to just carry on?
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All your points are Butterflies & Bullfrogs and does NOT address the "Heart of the matter" that ill's us

The Number 1 problem is Discipline in our schools and citizenry


All Teachers(Majority) will even agree with that

Also, It will also take Major immigration Reform

Example , Calif had some of the best schools in the world BEFORE mass immigration from Hell holes parts of the world. Now, they rank near the bottom

The scapegoats like to blame Calif's education woes on Prop 13. That's not it
 
CLAX1911 said:
You do make a good point. People don't seem to care so things don't seem to change.
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Correct


"The tyranny of a prince in an oligarchy is not so dangerous to the public welfare as the apathy of a citizen in a democracy."


--Montesquieu, Spirit of the laws, 1748
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CLAX1911 said:
You do make a good point. People don't seem to care so things don't seem to change.
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People don't seem to care so things don't seem to change.
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You know when they change?

When it hits them in their pocketbook$$$$$
 
Luther said:
You know when they change?

When it hits them in their pocketbook$$$$$
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A lesson in that would be when old King George closed down the Boston ports

What did it do? It but thousands out of work and they joined the Patriot cause

I'm a student of history
 
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