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America’s Schools are More Diverse Than Ever, But the Teachers are Still Mostly White

Drawdown said:
In K-12 I had 4 black teachers and 1 of them I had twice because he changed grades same year I did. Didn't have a single Hispanic teacher.
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That means that you had 3 black teachers... K-12 math was not your strong point?
 
Bodhisattva said:
That means that you had 3 black teachers... K-12 math was not your strong point?
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No it means a had 4 black teachers and one of them was the same teacher I had twice. I am not the one who apparently didn't learn the difference between sets and subsets.
 
Drawdown said:
No it means a had 4 black teachers and one of them was the same teacher I had twice. I am not the one who apparently didn't learn the difference .
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If you have the same teacher twice... that is one teacher that you had twice... not two teachers.

1 teacher that you had once
plus
1 teacher that you had once
plus
1 teacher that you had twice
=
3 teachers



1+1+1 = ?



THREE!!! YEAH!!!
between sets and subsets
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*cough* uh-huh. :lol:
 
Bodhisattva said:
If you have the same teacher twice... that is one teacher that you had twice... not two teachers.

1 teacher that you had once
plus
1 teacher that you had once
plus
1 teacher that you had twice
=
3 teachers



1+1+1 = ?



THREE!!! YEAH!!!


*cough* uh-huh. :lol:
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I had Mrs. Miss. Ms. and Mr. and the latter twice. That is 4 people equaling 4 teachers. That I had Mr. twice does not make him two people :doh
 
Bodhisattva said:
If you have the same teacher twice... that is one teacher that you had twice... not two teachers.

1 teacher that you had once
plus
1 teacher that you had once
plus
1 teacher that you had twice
=
3 teachers



1+1+1 = ?



THREE!!! YEAH!!!


*cough* uh-huh. :lol:
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The same teacher taught two different grades.
 
Bodhisattva said:
My mom and other older white female teachers faced big discrimination and racism from the predominantly Latino schools and school district in which they worded. They were pressured continually in the hope that they would quit... and most did (or transferred). The Latino teachers and Principal were very racist and eventually won out. This was twenty years ago too...
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I subscribe to the Stand and Deliver (1988) theory of schooling, where expectations, along with shaming for poor performance, rule. One of the reasons why I don't devolve into a lazy meth addict is the shame I would feel, and the expectations people have for me.

Since that movie came out, we've become a more race-centered society where school systems are starting to set different thresholds for different races. The SAT recently tried to do an "adversity score", which was code for "give brown people a 30 point spot". This is cheesy. Edward James Olmos didn't give his kids an A because they were Hispanic - he gave it to them because they earned it just the the white kids have to.
 
Drawdown said:
I had Mrs. Miss. Ms. and Mr. and the latter twice. That is 4 people equaling 4 teachers. That I had Mr. twice does not make him two people :doh
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Whew!

Lisa said:
The same teacher taught two different grades.
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It could have gone either way with the information provided... I am just glad that he counted correctly. ;)
 
Rickeroo said:
I subscribe to the Stand and Deliver (1988) theory of schooling, where expectations, along with shaming for poor performance, rule. One of the reasons why I don't devolve into a lazy meth addict is the shame I would feel, and the expectations people have for me.

Since that movie came out, we've become a more race-centered society where school systems are starting to set different thresholds for different races. The SAT recently tried to do an "adversity score", which was code for "give brown people a 30 point spot". This is cheesy. Edward James Olmos didn't give his kids an A because they were Hispanic - he gave it to them because they earned it just the the white kids have to.
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Shaming students is a very ineffective and poor method of teaching kids... it might work on a few students, but not most. Generally, it alienates students. Having expectations and pushing kids is very effective though.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Shaming students is a very ineffective and poor method of teaching kids... it might work on a few students, but not most. Generally, it alienates students. Having expectations and pushing kids is very effective though.
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Not so much shaming the kids themselves - but shaming the non-performance. In other words, telling them if they don't perform that they will end up saying "do you want fries with that?" The onus of performance remains.
 
Rickeroo said:
Not so much shaming the kids themselves - but shaming the non-performance. In other words, telling them if they don't perform that they will end up saying "do you want fries with that?" The onus of performance remains.
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Yeah... that can be a motivator with the right kids. I have many kids whose parents are from the lower socio-economic level though... and their parents are the garbage men, janitors and working life long in the kitchen at KFC, so I don't do that kind of shaming much.
 
TheEconomist said:
Everyone has built and progressively updated an image of themselves, as well as have formed some kind of ideal picture of themselves. Obvious, there is absolutely no reason for any of this to peculiarly well articulated and explicit, although you can suspect that it is very useful to add details and depth to this picture. The ideal is also elusive for the obvious reason that no one who is even remotely honest with themselves can claim to be the man or the woman they could be. That's my problem with the "self-esteem" crowd. They think that if you pet people in the back, they will come to see themselves in a better light and move on to become very productive. This makes sense as far as moral is concerned, but it doesn't make sense when it comes to the self-image of people. The reason is that if you are far from your ideal and you know that you're not doing much of anything to get there, you are not wrong to not be happy with yourself. The "self-esteem" crowd has everything backwards. You don't feel good and then get busy doing something productive on account that you feel good. It's the other way around. There is a bunch of things that you should be doing per your own judgement of what you should be doing. You know it and you also know that you're cheating at your own game, breaking your own rules when you do not do it. The way you stop looking down at yourself is simple: convince yourself to do at least a few of the things you think you should be doing -- or, perhaps, stop doing things you think you should not be doing. If you do this even for just a few days, you'll slowly earn your own respect.

Students don't need to be congratulated ad nauseam. If you face challenges forthrightly, if you get down to business and try to overcome the obstacle, you will learn to respect yourself just as will others. And if you fail at some point, getting back up on your feet and finding a way to either tackle of circumvent the problems that go you down in the first place is what you should be doing. There is nothing that can make you feel like you could conquer the whole world than seeing yourself take a hit and keep going after what you want.



The issue is that I am not a racist: I don't think that people are biased because the tone of their skin doesn't match the tone of the skin of people around them.

I have a friend with whom I play tennis over the summer. We often meet up and talk off the court. He is considerably older than me, but he's such a wonderful friend. Anyhow, when he was younger and his kids were studying in high school, he would have kids from the whole neighborhood over and teach them about mathematics, history and litterature, helping them out with their homework and their assignments. He happens to be black, some of the kids happened to be asian and others happened to be white. It never occured to anyone that this was a problem.

Frankly, comments like those made by the radical left are disgusting. And mind you, they will dump all over any ethnic group as soon as it benefits them. They're power hungry authoritarian lunatics.
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You ever think that there's a class of people who are artificially lacking self-esteem and a whole class of people who are artificially in abundance of self-esteem? That's a bit of the problem with the criticisms of the self-esteem movement. Many of the goals weren't exactly for those that didn't need those participation trophies, but those kids that did need the participation trophies.

The issue is that I am not a racist: I don't think that people are biased because the tone of their skin doesn't match the tone of the skin of people around them.
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After the month I have been having trying to help a kid of color get the **** they are supposed to have by law and school district policy but are being denied because they are of color, this comment is an incredible amount of bull****. I mean, I get it, you don't know what you're talking about, but after the headaches I've been going through, all I can do is laugh at this. If you only knew, dude. If you only knew.
 
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truthatallcost said:
The Mecklers and Rabinowitz' of the world are outraged that Latino and black children are being taught by....blech...white teachers! Nevermind the fact that Meckler and Rabinowitz admit that being a teacher is often a thankless, unhappy profession with low pay:


People of color are less likely to go into teaching and less likely to stay in it. Education requirements, low pay, unhappy workplaces and lack of respect all can contribute. The result: At every step on the road from high school student to classroom teacher, people of color fall away.

It's not enough white children make up less than 50% of American students , now the Meckler Rabinowitz' demand that the teachers be non-white as well. Diversity means openly discriminating against the men & women who teach your children now, according to the Meckler Rabinowitz' of the world.

Given the fact that less than 50% of American children are white, and non-whites are either not educated enough, or simply not interested enough in becoming teachers, what might be in store for the American educational system in 20 years, when all those pesky pale white teachers retire?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/local/education/teacher-diversity/
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As long as we are focused on race, how are black teachers performing compared to white teachers, or does it matter how well a teacher performs? Does it matter how well a school performs? Should we be allowing parents to get vouchers to send their kids to better schools?
 
Fiddytree said:
You ever think that there's a class of people who are artificially lacking self-esteem and a whole class of people who are artificially in abundance of self-esteem? That's a bit of the problem with the criticisms of the self-esteem movement. Many of the goals weren't exactly for those that didn't need those participation trophies, but those kids that did need the participation trophies.
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I do not think that anyone needs participation trophies.

The whole point of a trophy is that it is exclusive: if everyone gets one, irrespective of what they achieve, the trophy is meaningless. Kids can understand that, but some adults have trouble dealing with the idea. But, even on a more pragmatic level of what it does to kid as opposed to what it means, participation trophies aren't a good idea. Failure is part of life. Sometimes, even if you work hard, even if you give it everything you have and even if you want something deeply, you will not get it. If you kid can't get their hands on a trophy in their little league, at their science fair or whatever it is they do, tough luck. The question isn't whether they will experience failure. The question is when and under which circumstances. So, what is it going to be? They learn this when they are 8 or they learn this when they are 28?

If you want to teach them something, teach them it's okay to fail as long as they get back up. As I said, you have it backwards. It starts with actions and it ends with feeling good, not the other way around.

Fiddytree said:
After the month I have been having trying to help a kid of color get the **** they are supposed to have by law and school district policy but are being denied because they are of color, this comment is an incredible amount of bull****. I mean, I get it, you don't know what you're talking about, but after the headaches I've been going through, all I can do is laugh at this. If you only knew, dude. If you only knew.
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You are working under very expensive presumption about what I know and do not know.
 
TheEconomist said:
You are working under very expensive presumption about what I know and do not know.
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Yeah, I’m going to say it’s not very hard to tell who is full of it here.


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Fiddytree said:
Yeah, I’m going to say it’s not very hard to tell who is full of it here.
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Declaring yourself knowledgeable and accusing other people of ignorance is not an argument. Neither is it to opine that my commentary was laughable. Besides, when did I attack you personally? I did argue that you were wrong, but I did not insult you. I only insulted far left radicals: if you aren't one of them, I have absolutely no problem with you. I have a problem with their shameless bullying and the censorship, not with political disagreements and differences of opinion.

And what exactly makes you believe that I could not be bothered by discrimination? Yes, for all you know, I could be a bad person. Yet, I could also be tired of running outside because kids are crying to the wolf every day.
 
truthatallcost said:
The Mecklers and Rabinowitz' of the world are outraged that Latino and black children are being taught by....blech...white teachers! Nevermind the fact that Meckler and Rabinowitz admit that being a teacher is often a thankless, unhappy profession with low pay:


People of color are less likely to go into teaching and less likely to stay in it. Education requirements, low pay, unhappy workplaces and lack of respect all can contribute. The result: At every step on the road from high school student to classroom teacher, people of color fall away.

It's not enough white children make up less than 50% of American students , now the Meckler Rabinowitz' demand that the teachers be non-white as well. Diversity means openly discriminating against the men & women who teach your children now, according to the Meckler Rabinowitz' of the world.

Given the fact that less than 50% of American children are white, and non-whites are either not educated enough, or simply not interested enough in becoming teachers, what might be in store for the American educational system in 20 years, when all those pesky pale white teachers retire?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/local/education/teacher-diversity/
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Those who can, do.

Those who cannot, teach.

Seems like a plus for the Blacks. Not a negative.
 
Wow. So now it’s racist for a minority to look up to a white teacher. And it’s racist to talk about the weather. That’s just white folk talk. Ain’t no one else talking about weather but white people.

Ya’ll ****ing stupid.
 
bomberfox said:
I dont think many question your motives as it has been obvious for a long time. We already know your motives.
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Just too chicken **** to actually say it though.
 
marke said:
As long as we are focused on race, how are black teachers performing compared to white teachers, or does it matter how well a teacher performs? Does it matter how well a school performs? Should we be allowing parents to get vouchers to send their kids to better schools?
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The proportion of students and teachers at any level of education is completely irrelevant in my opinion. With regards to race, what I do care about is that anyone who has the capacity and the will to do something is not being held back by prejudice.

What comments such as those brought up by the original poster show is that some people try to boil the whole discussion to a matter of proportional representation. These people look at outcomes, compute proportions and essentially become mad when they notice the racial proportions seen in the broader public are not reproduced along all possible dimensions. Then, seemingly ignoring that other factors than discrimination can cause discrepancies, the advocate what essentially are quotas... It should be obvious that this is a fundamentally racist point of view, but for the sake of hammering the point home, consider this situation. About 13% of Americans are black, if I am not mistaken. If I follow their logic, we should petition the NBA so that fewer black people are hired and more white people are hired. The sane answer here is that this is ridiculous: manifestly, the NBA picks players based on skills and adequate personality traits (because they do need to follow instructions, be disciplined and work with other players). The reason why this argument is so potent is simple enough: if you make stupid picks based on prejudice for your team, other teams can take advantage of it and it's going to eventually show up in your sales of tickets and merchandise. In other words, the issue here is that prejudice is costly.


And this bring me to a suggestion: you're likelier to see discriminartion play a role when the people making choices aren't paying much of a price for their mistakes. Maybe are school administration somehow favoring white teachers. I find that hard to believe in 2020, but let's assume this is true some of the time. Well, your point about vouchers would be a simple way to solve that complicated problem. As parents are better placed to know how well their kids are being treated in a school than bureaucrats far from the action, they're probably going to be more effective at rewarding competence and punishing incompetence. No doubt that some parents will make bad choices or emotional choices, but I would trust their average guess to not be that bad. If that works reasonably well, you just have created an automated deterrent to discrimination in hiring: if you are prejudiced, you pay the price.
 
Some months ago I was sitting in a high school classroom monitoring the Wi-Fi. The teacher was talking about something called "The Great Zimbabwe" saying the walls were 9 kilometers tall. I was not really paying until I heard that "9 kilometers".

I thought "that is more than 27,000 feet. A wall that tall is impossible.

I told the teacher that had to be meters. This teacher was a White female and had told me that she had been unable to get students to read Harry Potter.

We should have had a K-12 National Recommend Reading List for decades by now.
 
psikeyhackr said:
Some months ago I was sitting in a high school classroom monitoring the Wi-Fi. The teacher was talking about something called "The Great Zimbabwe" saying the walls were 9 kilometers tall. I was not really paying until I heard that "9 kilometers".

I thought "that is more than 27,000 feet. A wall that tall is impossible.

I told the teacher that had to be meters. This teacher was a White female and had told me that she had been unable to get students to read Harry Potter.

We should have had a K-12 National Recommend Reading List for decades by now.
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Great Zimbabwe is believed to have served as a royal palace for the local monarch. As such, it would have been used as the seat of political power. Among the edifice's most prominent features were its walls, some of which were over five metres high. They were constructed without mortar (dry stone). Eventually, the city was abandoned and fell into ruin.
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Great Zimbabwe - Wikipedia
 
truthatallcost said:
The Mecklers and Rabinowitz' of the world are outraged that Latino and black children are being taught by....blech...white teachers! Nevermind the fact that Meckler and Rabinowitz admit that being a teacher is often a thankless, unhappy profession with low pay:


People of color are less likely to go into teaching and less likely to stay in it. Education requirements, low pay, unhappy workplaces and lack of respect all can contribute. The result: At every step on the road from high school student to classroom teacher, people of color fall away.

It's not enough white children make up less than 50% of American students , now the Meckler Rabinowitz' demand that the teachers be non-white as well. Diversity means openly discriminating against the men & women who teach your children now, according to the Meckler Rabinowitz' of the world.

Given the fact that less than 50% of American children are white, and non-whites are either not educated enough, or simply not interested enough in becoming teachers, what might be in store for the American educational system in 20 years, when all those pesky pale white teachers retire?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/local/education/teacher-diversity/
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TAAC saw names he considers Jewish and blew a gasket, it would seem.
 
truthatallcost said:
The agricultural industry is 90% white. Who wants to refuse food until the agricultural industry is racially balanced? Volunteers?
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I dont think anyone is refusing education but nice try :).
 
Russia is introducing preferential conditions for education loans. The loan can be taken at 3% for 15 years.
Do you know where these stinking dealers are taking them? In 2020, the total amount of student debt on educational loans in the United States exceeded $1.6 trillion. Since 2003, the debt has gone up by 350%. Debtors are 45 million people. Both students and their parents and grandparents are in debt. This is the 2nd place in the total volume of household debt after mortgages.
 
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