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2018 Pisa Scores- USA 31st in the World for Education. Might IQ averages Explain Why?

truthatallcost said:
You finally responded to one of my comments. Well done Rabid, now go enjoy your white country, you champion of diversity you. :mrgreen:
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Ah yes, when you want to insult Germany you talk about how it's being overrun by brown people, but when you want to compliment Germany you talk about how it's an all white paradise. You can take your nazi filth elsewhere.
 
truthatallcost said:
You finally responded to one of my comments. Well done Rabid, now go enjoy your white country, you champion of diversity you. :mrgreen:
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Well , well. So California isn't filled with liberals. Looks like it may have a few conservative nationalists.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Private schools are able to pick and choose which students they accept generally. That means they can and often do get students from families that do place importance on education, allowing for better scores, not because of the better education but because they have better students


The north west part of Calgary has a high level of Chinese Canadians/immigrants. Those families tend to place a high level of importance on education, so they chose a school district with the best scores, which because the students are focused, ensures the school does well, ensuring it attracts high level students. Despite being in the same school system, with the same quality of teachers with the same curriculum. A self reinforcing cycle
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So then, Actually, a few bad apples are spoiling the whole barrel.

Using that as the basic paradigm describing the problem, we may assume that, as a whole, the American kids are just too stupid to teach and the educational outcomes can NEVER be improved.

If we reject the notion that improvement is impossible, the obvious solution, then, is to remove the "bad apples".

As in society, the "bad apples" will be self selected as individual students commit acts of behavior that are counter to or supportive of the advancement of themselves and the greater population.

When a student acts on behalf of, or in opposition to, the betterment of himself and others to promote growth in areas of academics, athletics, society and spirituality, this is not hard to notice and measure.

Even a 1% improvement or erosion in these areas is important both immediately and directionally at these young ages.

In every setting where a group assembles, individuals self select. The cream rises and the dregs sink. If the dregs are pulling down the rest who are the great majority, are we not obligated to help "the rest"?

In almost every discussion on this topic, someone brings up the notion that there are just bad actors in the student population being educated that make the delivery good results for the majority impossible.

It seems that the problem is thus identified. The only consideration then is "How Do We Address it?"

In passing, the humor in your sig line is so sharp that it causes no pain while promoting a quick bleed out. ;)
 
code1211 said:
That's very interesting.

I am not a scientist. Liberal Arts Degree here. Still, I am very interested in science and am impressed that the various Science Channels are able to "dumb down" the presentation of complex ideas enough for the unwashed to grasp.

Scientists seem to think that the Universe, if there is only one, poofed into its current expanding form about 14+billion years ago.

Prior to the time when a Catholic Priest expressed the idea of Dark Matter and Dark Energy, the visible universe was thought to be the whole Universe.

Now, There is a pretty wide consensus among Scientists that there is also Dark matter and Dark Energy which we cannot experience in any way, but which is evident as visible stuff reacts to it.

Further, to have reached the current size of the visible universe, the expansion, now expanding at a rate less than the speed of light, had to have expanded FASTER than the speed of light at some point in the past.

That point was likely immediately after the Big Bang. They explain it by saying that objects were not moving through space, but that space was expanding.

Our scientists seem to think that moving faster than the speed of light is not possible. However, it had to happen or the universe could not be what is observed today.

Our Scientists also think that the visible universe is only 10% to 15% od the whole universe. Again assuming only one Universe.

So, according to the story in Genesis, God says "Let there be light". At the time, prior to the Big Bang, there was no Visible Universe. That is, no LIGHT. After the Big Bang, there was light.

In a very literal sense, our scientists have given foundation to the Creationist myth (including violations of the laws of physics) with the today's scientific consensus regarding creation as it unfolded following the Big Bang.

Apparently, "There are more things in Heaven and Earth... than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

My apologies to all scientists and to Shakespeare.
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Whoopsie!

The Catholic Priest expressed the idea of the Big Bang, not Dark Energy or Dark Matter. My bad. Wires crossed in the writing...

I'll add everyone else to my apologies.
 
marke said:
The truth about Sweden is apparently not what is often told.

The Swedish Media Massage (The disturbing truth about Sweden’s moral decay)
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That article was written in 2006, and the USA is probably more decadent at this stage than Sweden is. Same sex marriage was decided here many years ago, and the LGBT movement moved on to the task of normalizing transgender issues. Having gained acceptance of transgender adults, now they've moved on to promoting transgenderism to children, mostly to young boys. Social liberalism has its merits, up to a point, then it becomes a threat to the health of society at large. We crossed that point years ago.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Ah yes, when you want to insult Germany you talk about how it's being overrun by brown people,
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Some parts of Germany received a lot of 'diversity' in a very short window of time. I was not wrong in predicting that this was a bad idea.

but when you want to compliment Germany you talk about how it's an all white paradise.
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What makes Germany a desirable place to live or visit? The German people, their culture, economy, etc. If you loved diversity, you would live in California.

You can take your nazi filth elsewhere.
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It's fashionable for people like you to use that word. But you hate America, hate its president, hate its children.
 
truthatallcost said:
I've read a fair bit about the results of the 2018 Pisa scores, which measure the capabilities of 15 year old students worldwide in reading, math & science. I've seen every imaginable excuse made for why the USA came in 31st in, while countries in Asia and Nordic countries took the top spots. Some experts blame unfair gender roles, some blame inequality in American schools- all the typical politically correct reasoning we've been conditioned to accept. I noticed something however that the paid experts missed: Pisa scores from 2015-2016 match up nicely with IQ averages. Rankings haven't changed much since then. For example:

Top 10 Countries for Highest IQ

1. Singapore (1st place Pisa)
2. Hong Kong( 2nd place Pisa)
3. Taiwan (6th place Pisa)
4. South Korea (9th place Pisa)
5. Japan (3rd place Pisa)
6. China (10th place Pisa)
7. Switzerland (15th place Pisa)
8. Netherlands (13th place Pisa)
9. North Korea (not available)
10. Macao (4th place Pisa)

The United Kingdom is 16th for IQ, 23rd for Pisa.
The USA is 27th in IQ, and 31st for Pisa.
Israel is 42nd in IQ, and 39th in Pisa.
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Is it possible that educational experts are completely missing the role of IQ in predicting educational outcomes? I think its very likely, especially given the 'taboo' nature of discussing natural differences in IQ, which prevents just about everyone from even considering it as a factor.

IQ by Country

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Asia outperforms Europe because Asians are smarter. Europe outperforms America because America's average intelligence is weighed down by our African and Hispanic populations. America outperforms Latin America because we're smarter than Hispanics. Had the test been done in African countries, it would have found that their scores were even lower and for the same reason.

You never see any arguments against these facts because they can't be rationally argued against.
 
AmNat said:
Asia outperforms Europe because Asians are smarter. Europe outperforms America because America's average intelligence is weighed down by our African and Hispanic populations. America outperforms Latin America because we're smarter than Hispanics. Had the test been done in African countries, it would have found that their scores were even lower and for the same reason.

You never see any arguments against these facts because they can't be rationally argued against.
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White supremacists are far dumber than just about any other group out there.

As shown by Nazi Germany
 
truthatallcost said:
I've read a fair bit about the results of the 2018 Pisa scores, which measure the capabilities of 15 year old students worldwide in reading, math & science. I've seen every imaginable excuse made for why the USA came in 31st in, while countries in Asia and Nordic countries took the top spots. Some experts blame unfair gender roles, some blame inequality in American schools- all the typical politically correct reasoning we've been conditioned to accept. I noticed something however that the paid experts missed: Pisa scores from 2015-2016 match up nicely with IQ averages. Rankings haven't changed much since then. For example:

Top 10 Countries for Highest IQ

1. Singapore (1st place Pisa)
2. Hong Kong( 2nd place Pisa)
3. Taiwan (6th place Pisa)
4. South Korea (9th place Pisa)
5. Japan (3rd place Pisa)
6. China (10th place Pisa)
7. Switzerland (15th place Pisa)
8. Netherlands (13th place Pisa)
9. North Korea (not available)
10. Macao (4th place Pisa)

The United Kingdom is 16th for IQ, 23rd for Pisa.
The USA is 27th in IQ, and 31st for Pisa.
Israel is 42nd in IQ, and 39th in Pisa.
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Is it possible that educational experts are completely missing the role of IQ in predicting educational outcomes? I think its very likely, especially given the 'taboo' nature of discussing natural differences in IQ, which prevents just about everyone from even considering it as a factor.

IQ by Country

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So Asians are smarter than us? Why is this news?
 
truthatallcost said:
That article was written in 2006, and the USA is probably more decadent at this stage than Sweden is. Same sex marriage was decided here many years ago, and the LGBT movement moved on to the task of normalizing transgender issues. Having gained acceptance of transgender adults, now they've moved on to promoting transgenderism to children, mostly to young boys. Social liberalism has its merits, up to a point, then it becomes a threat to the health of society at large. We crossed that point years ago.
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I was surprised to read that the per capita crime rate in Sweden is higher than the crime rate in New York City. With the crime rates rising in the US it would be wise for Americans to remain armed against the possibility of a personal confrontation with armed thugs.
 
AProudLefty said:
So Asians are smarter than us? Why is this news?
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Darwin thought blacks were stupider than whites. He may have had his scientific reasons for saying that. The Bell Curve was a study done one time which found a general association between various races and average IQ levels.
 
AProudLefty said:
So Asians are smarter than us? Why is this news?
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That particular fact is relevant, as Harvard University now uses affirmative action to discriminate against Asians, in spite of Asians being a protected class minority. Universities in California are talking about dropping SAT, and ACT scores as consideration for admission.
 
marke said:
I was surprised to read that the per capita crime rate in Sweden is higher than the crime rate in New York City. With the crime rates rising in the US it would be wise for Americans to remain armed against the possibility of a personal confrontation with armed thugs.
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Sweden only has 10 million people, but 18.5% are foreign born, and have no ties to Sweden, couldn't care less about what happens to the culture. The diversity experiment is great for globalists, not so much for Swedes.
 
ocean515 said:
My son spent a year in South Korea teaching English to young SK students. The culture of SK is based on education. Student attend class 12 hours a day. Public in the morning, private for the rest of the day, into the evening. They attend classes on Saturday.

It's obvious that is not the case in the United States.
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Nor in Canada, we're basically the same as America in this regard, yet Canada ties Taiwan on PISA scores.

America's biggest problem imo is that the religious right realizes that the more educated the population, the less political influence they have. So they work hard at keeping the population stupid, particularly by deemphasizing critical thinking skills.

Look at that chart, how many of the top countries have as few atheists, and as many people attending church as the USA?

Or this:

Evolution and Creationism in America's Classrooms: A National Portrait
Of the 25% of teachers who devoted time to creationism or intelligent design, nearly half agreed or strongly agreed that they teach creationism as a “valid scientific alternative to Darwinian explanations for the origin of species.” Nearly the same number agreed or strongly agreed that when they teach creationism or intelligent design they emphasize that “many reputable scientists view these as valid alternatives to Darwinian Theory”


America teaches their children that Harry Potter **** is real science...in science class. That essentially Wingardium Leviosa is as valid a theory to explain flight as Aerodynamics.

And people wonder why American Science scores are low?
 
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truthatallcost said:
Universities in California are talking about dropping SAT, and ACT scores as consideration for admission.
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That's because they aren't particularly good predictors for success at University. That's the current system, right? A quick google found:

According to College Atlas, 70% of Americans will study at a four-year college, but less than two-thirds will graduate with a degree, and 30% of first-year students drop out after their first year of school.

Feel free to do your own research, the numbers may vary, but they'll reflect the same thing: not very good predictors.
 
JustHanging said:
That's because they aren't particularly good predictors for success at University. That's the current system, right? A quick google found:

According to College Atlas, 70% of Americans will study at a four-year college, but less than two-thirds will graduate with a degree, and 30% of first-year students drop out after their first year of school.

Feel free to do your own research, the numbers may vary, but they'll reflect the same thing: not very good predictors.
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They're still better than what the UC system plans on replacing them with, which is nothing.

But let's consider for a moment that Pisa, SAT, & ACT are all discredited by people who have a political axe to grind. If Pisa and the SATs were restructured to pat our educational system on the butt in spite of its many failings, that would appease the critics.
 
AProudLefty said:
So Asians are smarter than us? Why is this news?
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I would disagree. Canada is at the top of the list, so is Finland. The top 10 tend to rotate, Finland was #1 very recently, and Canada was top 3 for a while, now we're 6, but we'll be back up there again. So will Finland. There's lots of green in Europe.

Right now, "Educated" is a dirty word with 1/3 of the American population. They literally consider Universities hotbeds of "Leftist indoctrination," you've seen the posts. So it shouldn't come as a surprise that the USA is way behind. It's no different than the countries where Islam holds sway politically, the only difference is Islam has had it's religious hooks into the government a lot longer than Christianity in the USA, but it sure looks like the USA is going down that road.
 
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truthatallcost said:
They're still better than what the UC system plans on replacing them with, which is nothing.
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If you really believe that you are too ignorant about the topic to have a discussion. Do some research and get back to me when you have the slightest clue.
 
Tigerace117 said:
White supremacists are far dumber than just about any other group out there.

As shown by Nazi Germany
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Still are. Why do you think Trump says: Donald Trump: 'I love the poorly educated' — and they love him


Is Racism Just a Form of Stupidity? – Association for Psychological Science – APS
Longitudinal studies provide some of the most convincing evidence. One such study looked at general intelligence in 10- and 11-year-old kids, and then re-studied those kids as adults two decades later—and found a clear connection between low intelligence and subsequent racism and sexism. Similarly, higher intelligence in childhood has been shown to predict less racism in adulthood. These analyses strongly suggest that low intelligence actually leads to hateful attitudes later on.

We know who supports and defends Trump's racism on this forum, for example by pretending what we all watched in Charlottesville never happened.
 
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marke said:
Darwin thought blacks were stupider than whites.
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I think you're totally full of ****. Let's see the quote from a reputable source. Bet you can't produce it.
 
JustHanging said:
I think you're totally full of ****. Let's see the quote from a reputable source. Bet you can't produce it.
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He called them savages. He predicted the survival of the fittest would guarantee the civilized humans would annihilate the savages in less than 300 years.

"With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated; and those that survive commonly exhibit a vigorous state of health." Charles Darwin, The Descent of Man.
 
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