The cost of education

ocean515 said:

I fully support Mike Rowe and his observations and agenda.

I also believe not everyone needs to go to college. The fact the must graduate from college to get ahead is a lie being told by educators and their supporters in government. People should look at how many people take on the debt, and never graduate.

Higher Education, and the cost of it, is one of the great scams of the 21st Century.

I think Colleges and Universities should have a money back guarantee if they take in students who have to borrow to attend.

That would end this free money for bad education scam that is being perpetrated on young people.

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Completely agree! Make them back their product with a money back guarantee! I can't think of any other business in which you purchase a product and get no guarantee in return.

eman623 said:

We should end all federally subsidized student loans NOW and make existing student loan debt dischargable in bankruptcy.

In other words, stop any further bleeding and let those who took out the loans work it out with the schools that sold the loans to them.

And let's start looking at alternatives to going to a big expensive college, which in the digital age are almost as anachronistic as book stores. Knowledge is free. To paraphrasee Good Will Hunting, a person should be able to get a basic college education for nothing more than a few dollars of overdue library fines. It's that diploma that you're paying for and in many cases it's worthless.

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It's good to see others recognizing higher ed for the scam it is! Ultimately that piece of paper is what one is paying for. And the fancier the university is the more expensive that piece of paper costs.

Cynical said:

Completely agree! Make them back their product with a money back guarantee! I can't think of any other business in which you purchase a product and get no guarantee in return.

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Almost all software is sold without any express or implied warranty. How, exactly, could a college guarantee (ensure?) that a given student will be able to learn enough to graduate or that their degree (if ever earned and issued to that student) in Underwater Basket Weaving is going to be declared (sufficiently?) valuable by some third party?

Cynical said:

Completely agree! Make them back their product with a money back guarantee! I can't think of any other business in which you purchase a product and get no guarantee in return.

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Worse than that, no repercussions for false advertising, and gross misrepresentation.

It's one of the greatest frauds been foisted on primarily young people, in perhaps the Nation's history.

ttwtt78640 said:

Almost all software is sold without any express or implied warranty. How, exactly, could a college guarantee (ensure?) that a given student will be able to learn enough to graduate or that their degree (if ever earned and issued to that student) in Underwater Basket Weaving is going to be declared (sufficiently?) valuable by some third party?

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If any one of us goes to a store and buys a software program and it doesn't work we can absolutely return it to the store for either a refund or another of the same software program. Regarding how a college would back it's product, personally I would like a system that would just select the best students for the majors that are in high demand. In other words it would be up to college's to have to be selective on who they admit. For the others we need a better system in high school that involves partnerships with local businesses so students can see what are the different types of jobs out there. More trade schools and schools that primarily focus on the job skills and coursework needed by local businesses, which would also include local partnerships with business that could offer on the job training.

We don't need people sitting in classrooms for another four years of their lives. Let me give an example. My uncle worked in insurance as an adjuster. He didn't go to college, he interviewed and got the job. There was no actual NEED for a college degree to do the work. As he was retiring he commented how all the people coming into the insurance business now have college degrees. Now they did not do the job any better because of that, the only difference was that they had a piece of paper (college diploma) with their name on it.

ocean515 said:

Worse than that, no repercussions for false advertising, and gross misrepresentation.

It's one of the greatest frauds been foisted on primarily young people, in perhaps the Nation's history.

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Completely agree! It is one of the greatest brainwashing's ever foisted upon the American people! Here is a really good article on it:

How Higher Education Became An Obscenely Profitable Racket | Zero Hedge

I just hope more and more people get woke to this before education destroys more of the American economy.