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Should schools teach Father Georges Lemaitre's creation theory as part of their science curriculum?

Should public schools teach Father Georges Lemaitre's creation theory in science classes?

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marke said:
Billions of various chemical combinations must be carefully arranged in the exact order for any one of millions of species to live and reproduce. Dimwitted Darwinists attribute the creation and manipulation of these chemical arangements to dumb luck. Evolution is not supported by observable science and good judgment, it is supported by blind faith in the preposterous.
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You seem confused. Evolution is not about how life began but how it changed over time and it has been observed
 
Manc Skipper said:
Many of the "chemicals" have been detected floating around in space. Did you know we are all made of stardust?
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God did create humans and other life forms with bodies made of chemicals. Those chemicals had a beginning and it was God who made them and the universe.
 
Quag said:
You seem confused. Evolution is not about how life began but how it changed over time and it has been observed
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There is no confusion. Evolution theory cannot explain the origin of life so it proceeds to speculate how life must have began 'simply' and developed from there. Darwin's work of fiction, The Origin of the Species, had nothing to do with the origin of life and offered no proof whatsoever that one species developed into another by some miraculous way that cannot be seen and measured, only believed by faith.
 
marke said:
God did create humans and other life forms with bodies made of chemicals. Those chemicals had a beginning and it was God who made them and the universe.
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I think jahweh found this universe somebody elase created and decided to stick around for a while and torment us.

The observed universe is far too amazing and whimsical to have been created by that asshole.
 
marke said:
There is no confusion. Evolution theory cannot explain the origin of life so it proceeds to speculate how life must have began 'simply' and developed from there. Darwin's work of fiction, The Origin of the Species, had nothing to do with the origin of life and offered no proof whatsoever that one species developed into another by some miraculous way that cannot be seen and measured, only believed by faith.
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Which is EXACTLY what you are claiming. Miraculous, cannot be seen or measured, only believed by faith.
 
What if...? said:
I think jahweh found this universe somebody elase created and decided to stick around for a while and torment us.

The observed universe is far too amazing and whimsical to have been created by that asshole.
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You should write a book. The world seems to be filling with idiots willing to believe almost any stupid thing.
 
Personal rejection tends to cause bitterness...
 
marke said:
24. Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded; …
28. Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early but they shall not find me.
Proverbs 1
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I think my ringer was off when he called.

Should have left a message and I'd have gotten back to him.

So add "pissy bitch" to jahwehs character profile.
 
What if...? said:
I think my ringer was off when he called.

Should have left a message and I'd have gotten back to him.

So add "pissy bitch" to jahwehs character profile.
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You should watch what you say about God knowing you will soon be standing before Him in the judgment.
 
marke said:
1. Life is not just chemicals. Chemicals do not think. Chemicals cannot design complicated biological formulas for life. Only God can do that.

2. The genetic code does not allow for mutations to gradually accumulate and transform a living creature into something which is totally foreign to its genetic makeup.
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Not in 6000 years, no.
 
Xelor said:
Should public schools teach Roman Catholic priest Georges Lemaitre's creation theory in science classes?
  • Yes
  • No
  • I don't know
  • Schools should teach the/a non-Catholic version of his theory.

Personally, I would never cotton to a public school's teaching Creationism, but private schools can teach whatever they want, and they definitely should teach Lemaitre's creation theory as part of their science curricula, and Christian one's should include it in their theology curricula.

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I was raised in the Episcopal faith, but Lemaitre's creation theory is good enough AFAIC.
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Why would science class teach about almost certainly imaginary beings? Until there is scientific evidence that such a being exists, it is ridiculous to include this in the curriculum. The bible is wrong in so many places, always demonstrating the knowledge current at the time it was written, or just plain borrowing from other religions.

What's next, you're going to teach children that the earth is riding on the back of giant turtle?
 
Xelor said:
Should public schools teach Roman Catholic priest Georges Lemaitre's creation theory in science classes?
  • Yes
  • No
  • I don't know
  • Schools should teach the/a non-Catholic version of his theory.

Personally, I would never cotton to a public school's teaching Creationism, but private schools can teach whatever they want, and they definitely should teach Lemaitre's creation theory as part of their science curricula, and Christian one's should include it in their theology curricula.

ETA:
I was raised in the Episcopal faith, but Lemaitre's creation theory is good enough AFAIC.
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Not in SCIENCE class. History or something similar I have no problem.
 
marke said:
You should write a book. The world seems to be filling with idiots willing to believe almost any stupid thing.
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Actually, I think your numbers are decreasing.
 
marke said:
You should watch what you say about God knowing you will soon be standing before Him in the judgment.
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If it turns out you're right he's got some 'splaining to do.
 
marke said:
You should write a book. The world seems to be filling with idiots willing to believe almost any stupid thing.
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Well, religion has had a long time to get itself established. So yeah, there are still people who actually believe someone can live inside a fish! :lamo
 
marke said:
Baloney. Natural selection is not a god. It does not have a body. It cannot think. It cannot design and make complicated DNA arrangements by the billions in order for just one creature to have life. The reason Darwinists refuse to speculate as to how life originated on earth is because Darwinism cannot produce the source of the brains and power needed for original life to be formed in the first place. Darwinists reject God but leave a void in His place.
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DNA did not invent itself
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Of course it is. Evolution becomes exposed as the world class foolishness it is when questions about the origin of life arise. God created life, not natural selection, not DNA, not Miller and Urey or any other thinking entity.
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Natural selection and mutations by definition can only evolve and mutate life that already exists and therefore cannot explain the first life in the same way that gravity only explains the way that matter attracts each other but not the origin of matter. The first life couldn't have evolved, it would have either been created by designer or by a lucky chemical reaction, but abiogenesis is a separate debate. Evolution makes no claim about the origin of DNA because it requires DNA to even happen.

"They" did that? How? By using their brains? By exercising intelligence far above and beyond the best humans have yet to produce in the history of man?
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and DNA does not have the brains or power to make changes to itself. You are claiming some entity besides God added to the original information in the genetic code to make changes which Darwinists believe must have taken place from the beginning until now. There is absolutely no scientific basis for assuming DNA adds information to itself,
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And DNA cannot think. It has no power to design and create new chemical arrangements to make changes in life forms.
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We already know that mutations do happen so DNA does actually get modified which refutes your claim this can't happen. We also know that natural selection will select mutations that are beneficial. Mutations will throw out trillions of mutations in generation after generation and those with mutations that help creatures better survive will be more likely to pass on their genes and we will see more and more of them. If you have trillions of mutations and natural selection selecting the beneficial ones, then eventually we are bound to get the right sequences that build functional complex organs.

and especially no scientific proof DNA thinks about what is needed so as to add just the right changes for the better.
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You ascribe the power to make changes in living creatures to a false god. You say "they do have the power." That is the basis for a false religion in which the forces of nature are believed to have the intelligence and power of God to manipulate life forms by making beneficial changes to the genetic code.
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Evolutionists also don't claim that DNA, mutations, natural selection, or the process of evolution in general has any kind of mind or intelligence. That is a strawman.

God created the genetic code and He can make changes, but dead chemicals cannot. They are dead. They do not think. They cannot plot and plan. They can do nothing but what God has designed them to do. Give God the credit for what God does and don't allow men to tell you their false gods did something those false gods did not do.
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Evolution does not claim that chemicals drive evolution. That is a strawman. It claims that natural selection and mutations drive evolution.

Do you not understand that this speculation is not scientifically proven, just blindly believed?
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Natural selection and mutations work because they make sense logically as I have shown and we see this every day in viruses. We even found a bacteria that evolved the complex ability to break down nylon and feed off of it. Scientists even identified that mutations in the gene that did this and were able to replicate this evolution in the lab themselves. Even if the theory of how it evolution happened was not visually seen to happen, but also wasn't disproven, we have a lot of physical evidence that shows that it did happen.
 
What if...? said:
Yes. Fossil record.
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You saw a dinosaur turn into a bird and a fish into a jackrabbit in the fossil record? Where? In the Grand Canyon? In lake vaves at Suigetsu? In the Green River formation? Or just on National Geographic?
 
JustHanging said:
Well, religion has had a long time to get itself established. So yeah, there are still people who actually believe someone can live inside a fish! :lamo
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You think the Biblical account of Noah is a myth or a joke? You must also think a dumb luck accident of nature invented the first life form on earth.
 
Xelor said:
Should public schools teach Roman Catholic priest Georges Lemaitre's creation theory in science classes?
  • Yes
  • No
  • I don't know
  • Schools should teach the/a non-Catholic version of his theory.

Personally, I would never cotton to a public school's teaching Creationism, but private schools can teach whatever they want, and they definitely should teach Lemaitre's creation theory as part of their science curricula, and Christian one's should include it in their theology curricula.

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I was raised in the Episcopal faith, but Lemaitre's creation theory is good enough AFAIC.
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No. Creationism is not science. It is fantasy that cannot be tested or proven.

"I don't care! I believe Putin!" -- Donald J. Trump
 
marke said:
You should watch what you say about God knowing you will soon be standing before Him in the judgment.
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Actually it's you who should be afraid marke. Very very afraid.

There are thousands of gods, and the odds are very long that you happened to be born into the "real" god's particular faith. And if there's one thing god's seem to hate, it's when people worship the wrong god. So you're literally a thousand to one longshot to escape eternal torture.

Whereas I'm neutral, so if there is a god, they're not going to be torturing me for worshiping the wrong god, and I'll spend eternity in their happy place. You, on the other hand....well, repent before you have to enjoy your eternity down below. ;)
 
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