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    'Affirmative action for the rich:' How the privileged legally game the college admissions process

    'Affirmative action for the rich:' How the privileged legally game the college admissions process

    The college admissions scam involving Lori Loughlin and Felicity Huffman shows how some rich families use a “side door” to game an already unfair education system.


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    3/13/19
    SAN FRANCISCO — "There can be no separate college admissions system for the wealthy," Andrew Lelling, U.S. Attorney for Massachusetts, said at Tuesday's press conference announcing charges against dozens of parents for paying bribes to get their children into some of the nation's elite universities. Some would argue there already is. Polls show that the vast majority of Americans believe college admissions should be based on merit, weighted toward students with the best grades and the highest test scores. But wealthy and influential parents routinely use their privilege to game the college admissions process. And it's all perfectly legal. A famous example involves Jared Kushner, President Donald Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser, whose acceptance letter from Harvard University arrived not long after his father, who at the time was a wealthy developer, pledged $2.5 million to Harvard. Harvard also maintains a "Dean's Interest List" for applicants related to or with ties to top donors. Even more pervasive is a practice called legacy admissions, which greases the wheels for children of wealthy alumni and tends to favor affluent white students. Forty-two percent of private institutions and six percent of public institutions consider legacy status as a factor in admissions, according to a 2018 survey of admissions directors conducted by Inside Higher Ed. Harvard says legacy students make up around 14 percent of its undergraduate population. How much of an edge does legacy give students? A Princeton University study found that being a legacy applicant was the equivalent of adding 160 SAT points to a student's application. The acceptance rate for legacy applicants is two to three times higher the normal admissions rate.

    At elite colleges, athletic recruiting is another preference largely conferred on well-to-do students engaged in such sports as lacrosse, crew, sailing and water polo, says Daniel Golden, author of "The Price of Admission: How America’s Ruling Class Buys Its Way into Elite Colleges — and Who Gets Left Outside the Gates." The FBI investigation, named Operation Varsity Blues, which ensnared actresses Lori Loughlin and Felicity Huffman, uncovered an extreme but logical extension of a long history of preferences. Parents allegedly paid $200,000 to $6.5 million to William Rick Singer, who ran a college prep business in Newport Beach, California, to fabricate athletic profiles for their children that boasted fake credentials, honors and participation in elite club teams. Singer then bribed standardized test administrators and college coaches. “There is a front door of getting in where a student just does it on their own and then there’s a back door where people go to institutional advancement and make large donations, but they’re not guaranteed in,” Singer said in his testimony. "I created a side door that guaranteed families to get in." Harvard is being sued by a group of Asian-American applicants who say they were shut out by this informal system of preferences, including affirmative action. A ruling on whether on whether Harvard's policies are discriminatory is expected by June.
    This "discrimination by the wealthy" really needs to end. By legislation if necessary.


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    Re: 'Affirmative action for the rich:' How the privileged legally game the college admissions proces

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    'Affirmative action for the rich:' How the privileged legally game the college admissions process

    The college admissions scam involving Lori Loughlin and Felicity Huffman shows how some rich families use a “side door” to game an already unfair education system.


    Yale University.



    This "discrimination by the wealthy" really needs to end. By legislation if necessary.
    Maybe politicians should also remove themselves from Pay-for-play.
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    Re: 'Affirmative action for the rich:' How the privileged legally game the college admissions proces

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    'Affirmative action for the rich:' How the privileged legally game the college admissions process

    The college admissions scam involving Lori Loughlin and Felicity Huffman shows how some rich families use a “side door” to game an already unfair education system.


    Yale University.



    This "discrimination by the wealthy" really needs to end. By legislation if necessary.
    What, exactly, would that legislation require and would it be limitted to only educational facilities? Obviously, it is discriminatory to give money to any specific college and not to all colleges - should that be legislated away as well?
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    Re: 'Affirmative action for the rich:' How the privileged legally game the college admissions proces

    People are already being accepted into college for reasons other than their ability to learn. This an an overall indictment of the college admissions process. The OP is concerned with 'the rich' gaming the system to get into schools but isn't, for example, concerned with people of certain skin color gaming the system to get into schools. Therefore, the OP isn't against the gaming of college admissions just types of gaming.

    IMO, the college admissions process should be transparent.
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    Re: 'Affirmative action for the rich:' How the privileged legally game the college admissions proces

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    'Affirmative action for the rich:' How the privileged legally game the college admissions process

    The college admissions scam involving Lori Loughlin and Felicity Huffman shows how some rich families use a “side door” to game an already unfair education system.


    Yale University.



    This "discrimination by the wealthy" really needs to end. By legislation if necessary.
    Considering the matter from the context of affirmative action, I am hard pressed to see as discriminatory a parent's spending $2.5M to his "brat" into any school. I mean, really. When "everyone else" spends ~$300K and Kushner's pop about spent that plus $2.5M and they all got the same education, same network, etc., I'd say Chuck is the only person who got discriminated against -- he had to pay a very hefty premium, one few others had to pay, to get his kid enrolled -- by his own son, no less.

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    Re: 'Affirmative action for the rich:' How the privileged legally game the college admissions proces

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    What, exactly, would that legislation require and would it be limitted to only educational facilities? Obviously, it is discriminatory to give money to any specific college and not to all colleges - should that be legislated away as well?
    Ask a legislator.


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    Re: 'Affirmative action for the rich:' How the privileged legally game the college admissions proces

    Quote Originally Posted by Xelor View Post
    Considering the matter from the context of affirmative action, I am hard pressed to see as discriminatory a parent's spending $2.5M to his "brat" into any school. I mean, really. When "everyone else" spends ~$300K and Kushner's pop about spent that plus $2.5M and they all got the same education, same network, etc., I'd say Chuck is the only person who got discriminated against -- he had to pay a very hefty premium, one few others had to pay, to get his kid enrolled -- by his own son, no less.
    The discrimination trial of Harvard by Asian applicants is nearing a verdict. I believe they will win.

    As far as money, why should Kushner get a coveted university slot simply because daddy was rich?

    Entrance should be based on entrance scores, not the size of the parents bank account.


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    Re: 'Affirmative action for the rich:' How the privileged legally game the college admissions proces

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    People are already being accepted into college for reasons other than their ability to learn. This an an overall indictment of the college admissions process. .
    Maybe your perspective is narrow to say this?
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    Re: 'Affirmative action for the rich:' How the privileged legally game the college admissions proces

    I still contend we are missing a much bigger problem, making this news story a symptom but not the source.

    For years we have been talking about the impact of the suggestion that just about everyone needs to obtain a higher education ideally from a university, and that has caused a series of repercussions impacting everything from the raw economics of competition for a finite number of seats in college to the level of debt incurred for those getting in.

    To the first point we have this story, trying to apply any sort of "fairness" to those that get into these colleges no matter if private or not. From athletic rides to academic rides there was already a growing concern about the balance of the merit of the student against the social fairness principles brought by affirmative action type thinking. This is only made worse by stories like what recently broke here showing how far some are willing to go, very costly fraud basically, to deal with this system. That in no way alleviates the actions of those caught (and the many more not caught yet, don't kid yourselves) but it does illustrate a system generating this sort of behavior will continue to do so.

    To the second point, a system of competition was created giving great power to some of these university systems to literally dictate outcome. Deciding winners and losers takes on a whole new meaning when you have a system like this where the raw economics actually supports why higher education cost increases year on year tends to beat out inflation. University systems have positioned themselves into great power and information judgement regardless of how much legislation is dreamed up to try to balance the scale. That was always a pipe dream anyway, the idea that protections for identified groups did something to deal with this system.

    In the most sad way, it makes perfect sense that this system has generated admissions as being a very complex scam very susceptible to bribery and coercion, financial and academic based fraud, means to bypass the system as applied to others, financial entanglement, you name it. Some not legal, some seemingly okay.

    Privilege and wealth is only one aspect to the problem, the system itself is designed to manufacture winners and losers at great expense to both to the benefit of very very few.
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    Re: 'Affirmative action for the rich:' How the privileged legally game the college admissions proces

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    The OP is concerned with 'the rich' gaming the system to get into schools but isn't, for example, concerned with people of certain skin color gaming the system to get into schools. Therefore, the OP isn't against the gaming of college admissions just types of gaming.

    IMO, the college admissions process should be transparent.
    The failed, angry old white man post that is in every thread.

    Thanks!

    But do tell me, why should a private college need to answer to anybody about who they accept?
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