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America is losing its teachers at a record rate

Dittohead not! said:
Mainly because that meme is a bunch of

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Not as much as you think. Studies have found public school teachers abuse children at a rate over 100 times higher then Catholic Clergy, and since people will just casually call every priest a closet pedophile because they have a problem with the church, I should be 100 times more justified to call teachers Pedos because I don't like the structure of public ed
 
Teachers deciding "**** it, I am out of here" is one of the unintended consequences of our idiotic practice of "Mainstreaming".....every day tends to suck, and teachers cant get much teaching done, so they leave......if we dont care about education happening then why should they?
 
Dittohead not! said:
What you're describing sounds a lot like bureaucracy micro managing the curriculum and everything done in the classroom. That's one big problem with education: It's what <alt>doxygen described as "empty headed stooges" who are in charge.

It also sounds like you were in a school where most of the students spoke English, weren't affiliated with street gangs, didn't have an anti intellectual bias, and came from intact families. That may not be the case, but I'd guess maybe it is.
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Definitely that first part... beyond ordinary definitely, it was screamingly so.

Not the second part. I opened, as a teacher, the school and it evolved over the years, with a widely disparate school population, really rich and advantaged and really poor and disadvantaged...

We had a great opening administration and some of the following administrations [ they were moving our good/sometimes great principals off to fix other schools oftentimes, every other year ]... then my last 5 admin went wow downhill and they [downtown], unfortunately for us, changed the policy on principal transfers, did not bring one of our old good principals back and instead kept this one still in place...that and under the onslaught of losing so many teachers who were disgruntled by the cookie-cutterisms and many who will not work for such, they left in droves the year after I left [ which had no bearing on anything that I can tell]...

While I was there we had a very cosmopolitan population, folks from literally everywhere, so it was like holding a mini UN summit every class. Lots of Latin Americans, Islanders, Asians, Europeans, Indians from India... Yeah, I had kids who could only speak Creole, or Portugues or Spanish, our Koreans, the ones I had, already seemed proficient in English ...was a real mix, a novelty and a joy to have such an actual and not a contrived diversity.

The clash of cultures stimulates a lot of lively discussion... but with that we had ones with electronic ankle bracelets, would tell us in class discussions that at home they were always "strapped" ... all the way up to those who lived on surrounding lakes, one, in particular, I remember had 5 jet skiis parked at "home", a home which was more like a finely appointed museum. He did a "package" I think they called it, on his "crib" for our high school TV productions...

Had about the same amount, a third in the upper 30 percent incomes while more than a third receiving free or reduced lunches.

Know what I'm saying?
 
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EMNofSeattle said:
Not as much as you think. Studies have found public school teachers abuse children at a rate over 100 times higher then Catholic Clergy, and since people will just casually call every priest a closet pedophile because they have a problem with the church, I should be 100 times more justified to call teachers Pedos because I don't like the structure of public ed
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Which studies?
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
Definitely that first part... beyond ordinary definitely, it was screamingly so.

Not the second part. I opened, as a teacher, the school and it evolved over the years, with a widely disparate school population, really rich and advantaged and really poor and disadvantaged...

We had a great opening administration and some of the following administrations [ they were moving our good/sometimes great principals off to fix other schools oftentimes, every other year ]... then my last 5 admin went wow downhill and they [downtown], unfortunately for us, changed the policy on principal transfers, did not bring one of our old good principals back and instead kept this one still in place...that and under the onslaught of losing so many teachers who were disgruntled by the cookie-cutterisms and many who will not work for such, they left in droves the year after I left [ which had no bearing on anything that I can tell]...
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What subjects did you teach?
 
EMNofSeattle said:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/has-media-ignored-sex-abuse-in-school/
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I don't see any links to this study, are there links? Is there even such a study, and if so, why didn't the author link to it?
Also, figures about four hundred thousand abused school children in the public system might have something to do with the fact that the public school population dwarfs the parochial school population by about 15 to one, but there are no links to any studies that provide those figures.

So I went and got my own:

California's Catholic schools educate about 200 thousand children.

In 2013 California had 6,299,451 students enrolled in a total of 10,315 schools in 1,181 school districts.

So let's run the math, shall we?

As the National Catholic Register's reporter Wayne Laugesen points out, the federal report said 422,000 California public-school students would be victims before graduation — a number that dwarfs the state's entire Catholic-school enrollment of 143,000.
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422,000 is about 13 percent of 6,299,451, but here we run into a problem...the article you referred to doesn't even list the number of Catholic school pupils who encounter abuse at all.

And yet you believe this to be a fair article?
Sounds like Tom Hoopes is a Catholic apologist.

Maybe we will find out someday.
 
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EMNofSeattle said:
Not as much as you think. Studies have found public school teachers abuse children at a rate over 100 times higher then Catholic Clergy, and since people will just casually call every priest a closet pedophile because they have a problem with the church, I should be 100 times more justified to call teachers Pedos because I don't like the structure of public ed
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Then by all means, post a link to those studies and let's analyze them.
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
Definitely that first part... beyond ordinary definitely, it was screamingly so.

Not the second part. I opened, as a teacher, the school and it evolved over the years, with a widely disparate school population, really rich and advantaged and really poor and disadvantaged...

We had a great opening administration and some of the following administrations [ they were moving our good/sometimes great principals off to fix other schools oftentimes, every other year ]... then my last 5 admin went wow downhill and they [downtown], unfortunately for us, changed the policy on principal transfers, did not bring one of our old good principals back and instead kept this one still in place...that and under the onslaught of losing so many teachers who were disgruntled by the cookie-cutterisms and many who will not work for such, they left in droves the year after I left [ which had no bearing on anything that I can tell]...

While I was there we had a very cosmopolitan population, folks from literally everywhere, so it was like holding a mini UN summit every class. Lots of Latin Americans, Islanders, Asians, Europeans, Indians from India... Yeah, I had kids who could only speak Creole, or Portugues or Spanish, our Koreans, the ones I had, already seemed proficient in English ...was a real mix, a novelty and a joy to have such an actual and not a contrived diversity.

The clash of cultures stimulates a lot of lively discussion... but with that we had ones with electronic ankle bracelets, would tell us in class discussions that at home they were always "strapped" ... all the way up to those who lived on surrounding lakes, one, in particular, I remember had 5 jet skiis parked at "home", a home which was more like a finely appointed museum. He did a "package" I think they called it, on his "crib" for our high school TV productions...

Had about the same amount, a third in the upper 30 percent incomes while more than a third receiving free or reduced lunches.

Know what I'm saying?
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Yes.
It sounds like having a competent administration is the key, or at least one of the keys.
 
Well, I appreciate teachers. My younger Sis is an entire English department for a small public high school and plans to retire in 2019. She works hard, but having the Summer off is something she has always enjoyed.
 
GDViking said:
Yip our illustrious Scott Walker led the attack on teachers with his act ten a d his divide and conquer method of governing.

The people didn't like it and elected the education superintendent to replace him.

Hopefully Wisconsin will return to the time teachers were not only paid fairly but actually respected for the difficult job they do.
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Republicans in historically strong union states seem to forget that the only reason people put them in office is because they appeal to rural culture so much. When the strike first began here republican politicians viewed it as their opportunity to stand up to those evil teachers, but once they realized the people supported the teacher's strike they were just left with puzzled looks on their faces. I can only hope that my state eventually wakes up and makes republicans pay for all the damage they have caused here. Congratulations on getting rid of Walker.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Yes.
It sounds like having a competent administration is the key, or at least one of the keys.
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It can help tremendously.

The principal position is often too political nowadays, hard to do the right thing without getting caught in a crossfire of interests.
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
It can help tremendously.

The principal position is often too political nowadays, hard to do the right thing without getting caught in a crossfire of interests.
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That's for sure. The principal has the job of being the right person for the teachers, the students, the parents, the school board, the superintendent, the state, all of which often have competing interests. It's a very difficult job.
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
..... and, worst, the whole cookie cutter system that began in earnest my last 5 years or so, in almost authoritarian ruthlessness taking control from afar our classroom, telling even exemplary teachers what they must have up on their whiteboards everyday, everything becoming dictated . For example, imposing a strict almost daily chronology not dictated by the needs of each class, but when all teachers of each specific prep MUST be at a certain stage of the curriculum. That, ostensibly so if a kid transfers from one class to the other there is a smooth transition... like each class wasn't different, there being no allowance to go back, reteach if a certain set of kids just were not getting it...

Rush on rush on...
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This is summed up nicely. Exactly my experience. It really had little to do with the principal because we have been through many. It has to do with the whole top down structure and it is BAD! I've been mentoring for many years. This year we had a new teacher leave after just 3 months. The new one who took her place has already told me she will stay until the end of the year because she made a commitment, but has enrolled in nursing school. Smart girl!
 
Too many bureaucrats micromanaging the classroom, too many children from dysfunctional families, no wonder teachers are leaving. At least in California the pay is decent, thanks to the CTA, but some places are paying crap wages as well? The wonder is there are any teachers left.
 
It doesn't surprise me one bit.

If one is going to attend the university for five years, one should study for a profession where one can actually do one's job in a pleasant environment.

Today's schools in larger cities are often combat zones where the students rule.

Many teachers just try to get through the day without being physically harmed. No wonder some return home and immediately hit the bottle!

If you know someone who is thinking about becoming a public school teacher, please try to talk him or her out of it. You will be doing him/her a big favor.

Students are completely out of control. To be fair, everyone in American society is out of control.
 
TheParser said:
It doesn't surprise me one bit.

If one is going to attend the university for five years, one should study for a profession where one can actually do one's job in a pleasant environment.

Today's schools in larger cities are often combat zones where the students rule.

Many teachers just try to get through the day without being physically harmed. No wonder some return home and immediately hit the bottle!

If you know someone who is thinking about becoming a public school teacher, please try to talk him or her out of it. You will be doing him/her a big favor.

Students are completely out of control. To be fair, everyone in American society is out of control.
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Exactly the opposite. There is a shortage of teachers in this country, and kids need people trying their best to educate them. Often those most challenging schools have the most challenging kids who have the greatest need. The teacher should look for opportunities to help others. Nobody goes into teaching because they think the most important thing in life is to get rich.
 
Unkotare said:
Exactly the opposite. There is a shortage of teachers in this country, and kids need people trying their best to educate them. Often those most challenging schools have the most challenging kids who have the greatest need. The teacher should look for opportunities to help others. Nobody goes into teaching because they think the most important thing in life is to get rich.
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That's for sure. Teaching is not a road to riches. It is a chance to make a difference, and it is a challenging career. It's challenging enough for most people in well run schools serving mostly middle class students. In schools that are poorly run, and/or where most of the children come from dysfunctional families, it's an almost impossible challenge.

It would be easier if the government would not try to micro manage schools.
 
Dittohead not! said:
America Is Losing Its Teachers at a Record Rate



Teachers are indeed leaving for a variety of reasons. I think that there are many factors unrelated to pay and benefits that make teaching more difficult than it used to be: gangs, out of touch bureaucrats calling the shots, too many children from dysfunctional families, more responsibility for the school and less for the parents, there are many factors behind teachers' decision to find another career.



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Free market education and payola politicians are destroying Jefferson's dream of free education.
 
Dittohead not! said:
I also taught in the public schools for 38 years before retiring in '04. I'm glad I got out when I did, too. Those "empty headed stooges" were bad enough then.

There are two professions that allow people to see the decay of society up close and personal: teaching and law enforcement. Were I back to being 18 again, I'd run like mad from either of those two career choices.
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I think I am of the opposite mind, I would run towards those careers and try and be a advocate for my profession
 
Dittohead not! said:
Too many bureaucrats micromanaging the classroom, too many children from dysfunctional families, no wonder teachers are leaving. At least in California the pay is decent, thanks to the CTA, but some places are paying crap wages as well? The wonder is there are any teachers left.
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I want to be a teacher to teach history.
 
Take the politics and out of teaching and they will come back.

Teaching is a art form, and our good teachers should never be teaching to the test like we are doing today.
 
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