UTSA student allegedly escorted out of class for having feet propped up

Grand Mal said:

Who's going to tell the POTUS to sit up straight? You?

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WCH said:

Having had a bout with ADD in school, I would continually lean back in my chair , getting in trouble on a regular basis. I suppose that too was a lack of respect albeit an unconscious. one.

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Bold: In a word, yes.

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I cannot say how unconscious it was. I can say it was a disrespectful act.

Anyone who has ever taught in a large city public school will immediately sympathize with the college professor.

Secondary and (increasingly) college students are completely out of control.

They feel (quite rightly) that they can do anything they want, and if they are corrected, they can simply accuse the instructor of some kind of discrimination (gender, ethnicity, age, etc.).

Things are NOT going to get better, only worse.

TheParser said:

Anyone who has ever taught in a large city public school will immediately sympathize with the college professor.

Secondary and (increasingly) college students are completely out of control.

They feel (quite rightly) that they can do anything they want, and if they are corrected, they can simply accuse the instructor of some kind of discrimination (gender, ethnicity, age, etc.).

Things are NOT going to get better, only worse.

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young people eventually realize that what is found important get enforced
there is one certain way for them to find out if they are going to be enabled or enforced
implement the action and wait for a response ... or a non-response

we basketball officials are expected to enforce the particular rules regarding the players' uniforms
last week i experienced two different scenarios during a high school game
one player ignored my repeated requests to tuck in his shirt. he pretended to not to hear me and avoided any form of eye contact. when his team mate, seeing that i was not going to place the ball in play until he complied, reached out, touched his shoulder and pointed to me explaining that he needed to tuck in his shirt. the player continued to remain non-compliant. at that time i had two options: (1) proceed and expedite the game and allow the disrespect to stand; or (2) sit the player on the bench. i chose option #2. the coach went ballistic that i would dare bench his player only because he refused to comply with the rules of the game
later, at the conclusion of the half time intermission, a player from the other team returned toward the bench with his jersey outside his shorts. i asked him to tuck in his shirt. he ignored my instruction. i again directed him to tuck in his jersey. this time he looked at me and said "i will" and proceeded to warm up with his jersey outside his shorts. i next approached the coach and explained that i needed his help, that player #X had been informed twice to tuck in his shirt and he failed to do so. that coach said "no problem, i will take care of it" and immediately summoned player #X for a loud and heated, heart-to-heart discussion. for the remainder of that game, player #X had the most taunt, tucked-in jersey on the court
same game. similar situation. two different coaches. two different results
one ignored the problem and enabled the student athlete and the other promptly dealt with the problem

Ikari said:

These snowflakes would never hack it in Physics graduate school. Upset because a teacher yelled at them? I had a professor yell at us for almost an entire class because no one remembered the spin of a graviton. Holy **** did she rant. Though she never did call the police on us, she didn't need to. This 5' 3", probably not even 100 lbs, elderly Chinese professor could devour the soul of every student in the class within a Rabi Flop. lol

Calling the cops was unnecessary, but if the kid was refusing the professors request to sit (if such a request was made) then by all means leave the classroom. If you're not going to respect the professor or her lectures, GTFO.

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Probably can get in trouble for yelling at students these days. Many tools of maintaining discipline has been taken away from teachers and instructors.

Skeptic Bob said:

Only among unreasonable people. And I don’t much care what unreasonable people think.

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But that is the current standard, so a lack of reason is what reigns.

I'm not saying that I had to walk to school, uphill, both ways or anything BUT the kids today seem to me, to be incredibly spoiled with some sense of entitlement I simply do not understand.

Having been singled out myself, in my time, for behaviors the school deemed inapproproiate, I can somewhat relate. But, if I took off my tennis shoes and plopped my feet up on the chair in front of me, when I attended school and college, the teacher wouldn't wait for the police. They would bounce my ass out of that class so fast I wouldn't have time to put my shoes back on.

Strangely enough, I support the teacher in this story.

We were told what to wear, how to wear it, how long our hair could me, how to speak with manners (and pity the fool who didn't) and display what were considered to be respectful behaviors. It was not optional. You did or got kicked out. End of discussion.

Today, people don't seem to consider those traits to be important in the classroom I suppose. Talk on the phone, smack your gum, rattle your potato chip bag, throw you feet up on the back of the chair in front of you, roll your eyes at the teacher and call her a bitch as you walk out the door, drop your pants to your knees with your nasty drawers sticking out for God and everybody to see...... That's the new norm. My generation failed miserably in bringing forth a a better generation regarding respectfulness. Respectful human interaction seems to just have no value whatsoever. But I guess that's all subjective and a matter of opinion.

Captain America said:

We were told what to wear, how to wear it, how long our hair could me, how to speak with manners (and pity the fool who didn't) and display what were considered to be respectful behaviors.

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it all started in the 1960s.

Until then, boys had short hair; girls wore skirts or dresses.

The 1960s, of course, were a period of change in our country: ethnicities, women, gays, etc. demanded changes, and they got them.

As one might expect, many students decided to see how far they could push, and they were delighted that they could push pretty far.

Today with smartphones, they feel that it is their human right to use them in class. And most teachers turn a blind eye, lest they be accused of discrimination of some sort.

And these kids will have kids. So that's why things will only get worse. (Just read that teachers in Sweden -- yes, Sweden! -- are experiencing more violence in the classroom. If I ever read that students in Japan are starting to defy their teachers, I will know that the world is coming to an end.)

TheParser said:

it all started in the 1960s.

Until then, boys had short hair; girls wore skirts or dresses.

The 1960s, of course, were a period of change in our country: ethnicities, women, gays, etc. demanded changes, and they got them.

As one might expect, many students decided to see how far they could push, and they were delighted that they could push pretty far.

Today with smartphones, they feel that it is their human right to use them in class. And most teachers turn a blind eye, lest they be accused of discrimination of some sort.

And these kids will have kids. So that's why things will only get worse. (Just read that teachers in Sweden -- yes, Sweden! -- are experiencing more violence in the classroom. If I ever read that students in Japan are starting to defy their teachers, I will know that the world is coming to an end.)

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I dunno. I graduated high school in 1975 and we were STILL told our hair had to be above our ears, collar and eyebrows. They girls weren't even allowed to wear pants and the dresses could be no more than 6" above the knee. The following year, they allowed "pant suits" for the girls. Those old, ugly, polyester things.

I think it was even more hard-core in the 60's. I hated it. I was quite the rebel back then. But, that didn't keep the teachers and administrator's from cracking a whip on my ass. Heck, even our coaches "swatted" us with 3' 1X4 paddles. They were worse than the principals.

And this was a PUBLIC school! Not one of those private Catholic schools or reform schools. This was the way even public schools were ran back then.

Captain America said:

Heck, even our coaches "swatted" us with 3' 1X4 paddles.

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When I was in junior high school in the early 1950s, I once threw a stone in agriculture class.

The teacher told me to bend over. He gave me one swat.


I have never thrown another stone in my life.



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Reasonable corporal punishment is what we need.

And, of course, capital punishment for murder.

But those days are over -- at least temporarily.

Who knows? Maybe the people who are running what remains of the United States in, say, 2100 may decide corporal/capital punishment is the only way to control what I predict will be crime beyond one's imagination.

TheParser said:

When I was in junior high school in the early 1950s, I once threw a stone in agriculture class.

The teacher told me to bend over. He gave me one swat.


I have never thrown another stone in my life.



*****


Reasonable corporal punishment is what we need.

And, of course, capital punishment for murder.

But those days are over -- at least temporarily.

Who knows? Maybe the people who are running what remains of the United States in, say, 2100 may decide corporal/capital punishment is the only way to control what I predict will be crime beyond one's imagination.

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We had "3-swat" and "5 swat" offences at the principal's office. The next step up was suspension.

But the coach would line us up after basket ball, dodgeball, exercizes, before we hit the showers, and give us all "1-swat" to toughen us up.

On Friday, they had challenges/contests. How many, "Swats can you take before crying?" The guys would challenge each other. If you won, you get to protect your title next Friday against whoever challenged you. Coach Triesh or Coach Bethea would administer the swats and referee the contest.

So, in short, if you got your ass beat because you could take 7 or swats before crying, and Billy could only take 5, you are a winner. And winners get to have their ass beat again next Friday, all over again.

Hey, it was Texas. What can I say?

TheParser said:

When I was in junior high school in the early 1950s, I once threw a stone in agriculture class.

The teacher told me to bend over. He gave me one swat.


I have never thrown another stone in my life.



*****


Reasonable corporal punishment is what we need.

And, of course, capital punishment for murder.

But those days are over -- at least temporarily.

Who knows? Maybe the people who are running what remains of the United States in, say, 2100 may decide corporal/capital punishment is the only way to control what I predict will be crime beyond one's imagination.

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Hind-site being 20/20, it's amazing how well corporal punishment served our youth back in the day. Sure, there was no shortage of fist fights behind the local Dairy Queen but I do not recall there being all these shootings and stabbings and assaults on educators.

If my teachers and coaches and principals from back in the day, ran things today like they did back in the 50's, 60's and 70's, they would all be in orange jumpsuits. Not so sure that would be a bad thing either. (LOL!) But at least their archaic methods rendered less death and destruction.

Captain America said:

The next step up was suspension.

Hey, it was Texas. What can I say?

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1. As you know, schools can no longer suspend students for defiance. (I have heard that President Trump's administration is planning to rescind that prohibition that was instituted by the former administration.)

2. I hear that Texas is getting soft when it comes to law and order. Very sad, indeed. But I understand the reasons. There is even talk that Texas may be turning red.

Captain America said:

We had "3-swat" and "5 swat" offences at the principal's office. The next step up was suspension.

But the coach would line us up after basket ball, dodgeball, exercizes, before we hit the showers, and give us all "1-swat" to toughen us up.

On Friday, they had challenges/contests. How many, "Swats can you take before crying?" The guys would challenge each other. If you won, you get to protect your title next Friday against whoever challenged you. Coach Triesh or Coach Bethea would administer the swats and referee the contest.

So, in short, if you got your ass beat because you could take 7 or swats before crying, and Billy could only take 5, you are a winner. And winners get to have their ass beat again next Friday, all over again.

Hey, it was Texas. What can I say?

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1958 el paso
justa little bubba enters first grade
no kindergarten in tejas; kindergarten was for ******s
after-school program was available daily for students who wanted to learn to speak spanish
great class, making good progress. my neighbor was a mexican kid so i got lots of practice
principal shows up the second week, big ass paddle in hand
explains that anyone who cannot speak fluent spanish by Christmas gets to experience said paddle
so much for my spanish immersion experience
not bright but as a six year old also not stupid enough to volunteer to be that sadist's victim
what the **** is wrong with tejas?

This happened at a University, not grade school. If college students want to make a scene, they can easily be dropped from the class.
Sounds like some kids don't appreciate an education.