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Fewer foreign students coming to United States for second year in row: survey

ecofarm said:
I see. You don't hate immigrants. You just hate illegal immigrants and student immigrants. Sure.

Just stop. Admit you hate immigrants. It's stupid to pretend.
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The topic isn't about citizenship of any sort.

Regardless, I hate no one. Accusing people of hate is just spreading your brand of hate.
 
WCH said:
The topic isn't about citizenship of any sort.

Regardless, I hate no one. Accusing people of hate is just spreading your brand of hate.
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Just be real. No hiding. No mushmouth.

You hate illegal immigrants and legal immigrants.
 
WCH said:
Take your own advice. You seem to have no problem openly spreading hate.
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Calling out bigotry is not "spreading hate" unless one's a nazi and doesn't like the condemnation.
 
WCH said:
Being a ****ing liar is!
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Okay, let's coddle you a bit. We don't want you stroking out.

So you hate illegals. And you hate student immigrants. Obviously - that doesn't mean you hate all immigrants. But you probably hate working immigrants because they're 'takin jerbs'.

See, I tried. But now I can't imagine an immigrant you don't hate. Help me out here. And, for the love of God, don't say Scandinavian countries.
 
ecofarm said:
Okay, let's coddle you a bit. We don't want you stroking out.

So you hate illegals. And you hate student immigrants. Obviously - that doesn't mean you hate all immigrants. But you probably hate working immigrants because they're 'takin jerbs'.

See, I tried. But now I can't imagine an immigrant you don't hate. Help me out here. And, for the love of God, don't say Scandinavian countries.
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There you go again. Can't help yourself. Why don't you do some deep meditation to see where your problem exist. Is it that you feel better casting aspersions? Is it to cover your inequities?
 
WCH said:
There you go again. Can't help yourself. Why don't you do some deep meditation to see where your problem exist. Is it that you feel better casting aspersions? Is it to cover your inequities?
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So... none. We all knew that.
 
ecofarm said:
Are you saying that you also hate student immigrants?
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No when did I ever say that? I ma saying that students coming from the PRC should be treated with more scrutiny for ties to the CCP.
 
Carjosse said:
No when did I ever say that? I ma saying that students coming from the PRC should be treated with more scrutiny for ties to the CCP.
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So, when the news is less student immigrants, you don't consider it "great news"?

Or is it great news because of a Global Mail article?

Believing it's great news is xenophobic. Period. There's no excuse.
 
ecofarm said:
So, when the news is less student immigrants, you don't consider it "great news"?

Or is it great news because of a Global Mail article?

Believing it's great news is xenophobic. Period. There's no excuse.
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No it is bad news but I am defending scrutiny of Chinese academic spies.
 
Carjosse said:
No it is bad news but I am defending scrutiny of Chinese academic spies.
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I'm all for scrutiny, security and all that jazz. Lord knows, we got our student spies everywhere, so let's presume everyone else does.

But shutting down or even limiting student immigration because the Chinese might have a spy? That's dishonest and racist.
 
ecofarm said:
I'm all for scrutiny, security and all that jazz. Lord knows, we got our student spies everywhere, so let's presume everyone else does.

But shutting down or even limiting student immigration because the Chinese might have a spy? That's dishonest and racist.
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Limiting student immigration of students from the PRC with ties to the CCP is perfectly valid.
 
Carjosse said:
Limiting student immigration of students from the PRC with ties to the CCP is perfectly valid.
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That was not the subject. The poster cheered the reduction in student immigrants and posted the link. The only conclusion to be drawn is that he supports lowering student immigration and he's using Chinese spies as an excuse.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
At public universities foreign students tend to pay tuition rates a good double that of even out of state students. That is in effect subsidizing American born students.
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I think you are wrong, the foreign students usually pay the out of state rate.
There may be additional requirements, for having sufficient funds deposited to pay the tuition, but the rates,
are the out of state rates. I know this is true for Texas, and just looked up Michigan.
States do subsidize residence, but that is because college educated citizens pay a lot more taxes.
Also the reason most teaching assistants are foreign students, is that they get in state rates if they are a TA.
This makes more sense if Dollars are applied to the equation.
A TA makes about $1600 for a long semester, roughly $100 a week for like 12 hours of office duty per week,
not to inviting for most US students. The foreign student sees their tuition drop from $49K to $15K,
for their 12 hours a week.
https://admissions.umich.edu/costs-aid/costs
 
longview said:
I think you are wrong, the foreign students usually pay the out of state rate.
There may be additional requirements, for having sufficient funds deposited to pay the tuition, but the rates,
are the out of state rates. I know this is true for Texas, and just looked up Michigan.
States do subsidize residence, but that is because college educated citizens pay a lot more taxes.
Also the reason most teaching assistants are foreign students, is that they get in state rates if they are a TA.
This makes more sense if Dollars are applied to the equation.
A TA makes about $1600 for a long semester, roughly $100 a week for like 12 hours of office duty per week,
not to inviting for most US students. The foreign student sees their tuition drop from $49K to $15K,
for their 12 hours a week.
https://admissions.umich.edu/costs-aid/costs
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I know that several states offer in-state tuition (at their state universities) to Canadian students from certain provinces through certain programs. Florida does it for the length of the degree, and Texas for just one year but if you are only doing a one year Masters that does not really make any difference.
 
Carjosse said:
I know that several states offer in-state tuition (at their state universities) to Canadian students from certain provinces through certain programs. Florida does it for the length of the degree, and Texas for just one year but if you are only doing a one year Masters that does not really make any difference.
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Correct there are all sorts of exceptions. Texas also offers in state tuition for students from states that share a border with Texas,
but the students need to know to ask for the reduction.
 
longview said:
Correct there are all sorts of exceptions. Texas also offers in state tuition for students from states that share a border with Texas,
but the students need to know to ask for the reduction.
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Considering the states that border Texas, I don't feel like Texas's universities have a lot of competition for attract students regardless of the tuition paid.
 
Carjosse said:
Considering the states that border Texas, I don't feel like Texas's universities have a lot of competition for attract students regardless of the tuition paid.
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Actually most state schools have their areas of specialty.
A&M has a well recognized Engineering school, UT has a very good Physics program, Ect. the neighboring States all have good programs in selected areas.
Honestly at the Bachelors level, most classes are not that different no matter where they are offered.
The STEM programs may be the exception, because better funding means better student equipment, and better hand on experience.
The schools I have been associated with, all have good relationships with the industries they fed into.
The industry provide lots of equipment, so the students would be familiar with what the industry was using.
 
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