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    Civics Education in the US

    From the Center for American Progress: The State of Civics Education

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    Civic knowledge and public engagement is at an all-time low. A 2016 survey by the Annenberg Public Policy Center found that only 26 percent of Americans can name all three branches of government, which was a significant decline from previous years.1 Not surprisingly, public trust in government is at only 18 percent and voter participation has reached its lowest point since 1996. Without an understanding of the structure of government; rights and responsibilities; and methods of public engagement, civic literacy and voter apathy will continue to plague American democracy. Educators and schools have a unique opportunity and responsibility to ensure that young people become engaged and knowledgeable citizens.

    While the 2016 election brought a renewed interest in engagement among youth,4 only 23 percent of eighth-graders performed at or above the proficient level on the National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) civics exam, and achievement levels have virtually stagnated since 1998.
    In addition, the increased focus on math and reading in K-12 education—while critical to prepare all students for success—has pushed out civics and other important subjects.
    No modern nation on earth can claim to be a Real Democracy if Civics Education is not a key element of secondary-schooling. People must know not only the political history of the US, but also how politics runs the country today. I suspect personally that most people get a notion of political activity off the BoobTube (TV).

    That's just not good enough. The notion of Liberty being the foundation-stone of our nation is fine but neither is it good enough. Americans must be taught also that the Electoral College that MANIPULATES THE POPULAR-VOTE before conveying the results to Congress and Gerrymandering are both manipulations of the popular-vote to favor either side of a basically two-party system!

    Both the above election-voting connivances have been in place since 1812 - when the 12th Amendment instituted the Electoral College and a Massachusetts governor (Gerry) carved out voting districts to assure that his party would win them.

    What are a people to do when their democracy has been infected by such complicities?

    Simply not put up with them!
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    Re: Civics Education in the US

    Quote Originally Posted by Lafayette View Post
    From the Center for American Progress: The State of Civics Education

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    No modern nation on earth can claim to be a Real Democracy if Civics Education is not a key element of secondary-schooling. People must know not only the political history of the US, but also how politics runs the country today. I suspect personally that most people get a notion of political activity off the BoobTube (TV).

    That's just not good enough. The notion of Liberty being the foundation-stone of our nation is fine but neither is it good enough. Americans must be taught also that the Electoral College that MANIPULATES THE POPULAR-VOTE before conveying the results to Congress and Gerrymandering are both manipulations of the popular-vote to favor either side of a basically two-party system!

    Both the above election-voting connivances have been in place since 1812 - when the 12th Amendment instituted the Electoral College and a Massachusetts governor (Gerry) carved out voting districts to assure that his party would win them.

    What are a people to do when their democracy has been infected by such complicities?

    Simply not put up with them!
    In this case sadly most likely the answer is fail and become exploited by the New Chinese Empire.
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    Re: Civics Education in the US

    Quote Originally Posted by Lafayette View Post
    From the Center for American Progress: The State of Civics Education

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    No modern nation on earth can claim to be a Real Democracy if Civics Education is not a key element of secondary-schooling. People must know not only the political history of the US, but also how politics runs the country today. I suspect personally that most people get a notion of political activity off the BoobTube (TV).

    That's just not good enough. The notion of Liberty being the foundation-stone of our nation is fine but neither is it good enough. Americans must be taught also that the Electoral College that MANIPULATES THE POPULAR-VOTE before conveying the results to Congress and Gerrymandering are both manipulations of the popular-vote to favor either side of a basically two-party system!

    Both the above election-voting connivances have been in place since 1812 - when the 12th Amendment instituted the Electoral College and a Massachusetts governor (Gerry) carved out voting districts to assure that his party would win them.

    What are a people to do when their democracy has been infected by such complicities?

    Simply not put up with them!
    You post has proved why the electoral college is necessary. Civics is being taught in school but the average person is too stupid to even name the 3 branches of govt. there’s no way we should trust them with the popular vote

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    Re: Civics Education in the US

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    You post has proved why the electoral college is necessary. Civics is being taught in school but the average person is too stupid to even name the 3 branches of govt. there’s no way we should trust them with the popular vote
    Have you ever met an electoral college voter? Am just curious. I don't believe I have ever met one of these far superior intellects.

    By your reasoning we need the electoral college is because everyone is too stupid then why does this smaller group of stupids need more electoral voters then this larger group of stupids?

    As long as these electoral voters are superior in intelligence then they should be capable of representing the same number of people. This whole thought process is ludicrous.


    In a 2012 Twitter post, Trump called the Electoral College “a disaster for a democracy.”
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-...12-tweetstorm/

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    Re: Civics Education in the US

    Stop complaining about the EC

    If you don’t like it....change it

    All you need is 3/4 of the states to ratify an amendment

    If the majority believes as you do, should be a piece of cake, right?

    But that won’t be so easy will it....
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    Civics education went the same way as the rest of it did after Nixon gave the radicals their quota system that to this decides what is 'racist' and what isn't.

    Congratulations, as I now saw recently that arithmetic is now 'racist', too. Too any white kids passing it, you know, and making others feel bad n stuff.

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    Re: Civics Education in the US

    Quote Originally Posted by Lafayette View Post
    From the Center for American Progress: The State of Civics Education

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    No modern nation on earth can claim to be a Real Democracy if Civics Education is not a key element of secondary-schooling. People must know not only the political history of the US, but also how politics runs the country today. I suspect personally that most people get a notion of political activity off the BoobTube (TV).

    That's just not good enough. The notion of Liberty being the foundation-stone of our nation is fine but neither is it good enough. Americans must be taught also that the Electoral College that MANIPULATES THE POPULAR-VOTE before conveying the results to Congress and Gerrymandering are both manipulations of the popular-vote to favor either side of a basically two-party system!

    Both the above election-voting connivances have been in place since 1812 - when the 12th Amendment instituted the Electoral College and a Massachusetts governor (Gerry) carved out voting districts to assure that his party would win them.

    What are a people to do when their democracy has been infected by such complicities?

    Simply not put up with them!
    Again with the "Real Democracy" claims?

    The United States was never set up to be a "Real Democracy" and only the uneducated would ever claim it was so.

    I do agree that civics should be taught, but not to support your ideal of this "popular vote is best" mob rule ideology.

    No, but rather in order to instruct our young citizens in what it means to be a REPUBLIC of united STATES working together to form a union, and not a land dedicated to a tyranny of the majority where two wolves (the most populated 4 or 5 States) and a lamb (all the rest) sit down periodically to decide what's for lunch.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    We hear much outrage over the existence of the Electoral College system, because the current President lost the Popular vote by the largest margin in any prior situation. (There were four: George W. Bush 2000; Benjamin Harrison 1888; Rutherford Hayes 1876; John Q. Adams 1824).

    People cry "Outmoded system! A national popular vote should elect a President!" That the USA is a Democracy and the Electoral college is a barrier between the will of the people and the holder of the office. That the 12 Amendment created the problem and did not go far enough to solve it.

    IMO that thought process is wrong; and I point out the following:...
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    Re: Civics Education in the US

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    In this case sadly most likely the answer is fail and become exploited by the New Chinese Empire.

    True enough. It's hard to find many 'elite' American journals that don't praise the wonders and positives of Red China no end, Foreign Affairs Quarterly gushes over them over 'evil American patriotism' in pretty much every issue now. Our own 'elites', Wall Street, and the county's largest employer are doing all they can to tank the US and build up Red China. Both our 'right' wing and 'left wing are on the same page re labor racketeering and factories and warehouses that look like prisons designed to keep their 'contractors' from fleeing and violating their 'free market labor contracts'.
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    Re: Civics Education in the US

    The hard part is finding a way to ensure that biases don't infect a solid education in civics. I agree that it's important, but I imagine that kids in a civics class in Texas vs California would walk away with some very different ideas.

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    Re: Civics Education in the US

    TRUE DEMOCRACY

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    You post has proved why the electoral college is necessary. Civics is being taught in school but the average person is too stupid to even name the 3 branches of govt. there’s no way we should trust them with the popular vote
    You must be one of the "average", given your response.

    There is no bonafide reason whatsoever for an Electoral College to report any other result of an electoral vote to Congress as regards the presidency EXCEPT THE UNADULTERATED RESULTS OF A POPULAR-VOTE!

    Which is what would happen if we rid the US of the Electoral College (and Gerrymandering whilst we are at it)! Then, and only then, would we have a True Democracy.

    And, the winner of any election is then considered elected fairly and democratically.

    Then and only then ... !
    Last edited by Lafayette; 10-12-18 at 02:41 PM.
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