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    Re: Civics Education in the US

    Quote Originally Posted by Lafayette View Post
    Except that we aren't.
    The United States of America, not the United People of America.

    We are a Nation of individual States, which is exactly what it was set up to be.

    Your opinion is absurd.
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    Re: Civics Education in the US

    Quote Originally Posted by Lafayette View Post
    Well put!

    One of the reasons both Gerrymandering and the Electoral College still exist is because no one ever had the courage to decry their outrageous manipulation of the popular-vote. (Put that down to bad Civics Courses that probably never ever mentioned the fact?)

    Then, of course, there is the old Yankee wisdom, "If it works, why do away with it?"

    I sometimes wonder where we ever get a sense of a just morality in the political process. It is warped by money and the intent to manipulate governance in order to favor certain upper-income groups.

    And when Donald Dork and his Replicant Congress lower upper-income taxation all we can do is hang our head in shame ...

    PS: And the most hideous result is to be seen in the Discretionary Income Budget (here). How we ever allow the DoD get away with spending almost half of the budget I, for one, will never ever know! Think of what we could accomplish with that money were it spent on a National Healthcare Service and Free Tertiary-Education for our kids!




    It’s funny that some people try to present their own subjective political views as “Civics,” or even “morality,” and expect to be taken seriously.

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    Re: Civics Education in the US

    Quote Originally Posted by Unkotare View Post
    It’s funny that some people try to present their own subjective political views as “Civics,” or even “morality,” and expect to be taken seriously.
    You have understood nothing.

    The basis of any genuine democracy is the popular-vote, and when it is manipulated (by means of an Electoral College or Gerrymandering) that country has no longer a "genuinely representative government".

    Which is the fundamental lesson of any Civics class that you have obviously never taken ...
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    Re: Civics Education in the US

    Quote Originally Posted by Lafayette View Post
    You have understood nothing.

    The basis of any genuine democracy is the popular-vote, and when it is manipulated (by means of an Electoral College or Gerrymandering) that country has no longer a "genuinely representative government".

    Which is the fundamental lesson of any Civics class that you have obviously never taken ...
    I recommend you try reading Federalist #10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unkotare View Post
    I recommend you try reading Federalist #10.
    Too hard, I guess.

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    It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what has happened to our education system in this country, the Common Core education teaches a bastardized form of civics. This is done in a wholesale way to mold the minds of the young. Example: In one of my grand daughter history books, talking about the Bill of Rights, it explains the 2nd amendment like this: "This amendment states that people have the right to certain weapons, providing that they register them and they have not been in prison. The founding fathers included this amendment to prevent the United States from acting like the British who had tried to take weapons away from the colonists." In another paragraph it states: "Second Amendment “grant[s] citizens the right to bear arms as members of a militia of citizen-soldiers.”" It also makes this statement: “The Government of the United States is currently revisiting The Bill of Rights. They have determined that it is outdated and may not remain in its current form any longer.” Needless to say I took this up with our local school board and was told that this is the curriculum approved by the State and I should address it to them.
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    Re: Civics Education in the US

    We must as citizens of America, RE-Invest ourselves in "Civic's Education". Which means we muse modify our educational system to be one that is designed to promote a better future for all. When we do so, we will modify how our Education System is focused and what it teaches, to better improve the society and its ability to work to build the Future that America is to become.


    Our Need for Civics Education In America is greater than many even consider to become aware of.

    The Changing Tide- America will Reclaim its Democracy

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    Re: Civics Education in the US

    Quote Originally Posted by Lafayette View Post
    From the Center for American Progress: The State of Civics Education

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    No modern nation on earth can claim to be a Real Democracy if Civics Education is not a key element of secondary-schooling. People must know not only the political history of the US, but also how politics runs the country today. I suspect personally that most people get a notion of political activity off the BoobTube (TV).

    That's just not good enough. The notion of Liberty being the foundation-stone of our nation is fine but neither is it good enough. Americans must be taught also that the Electoral College that MANIPULATES THE POPULAR-VOTE before conveying the results to Congress and Gerrymandering are both manipulations of the popular-vote to favor either side of a basically two-party system!

    Both the above election-voting connivances have been in place since 1812 - when the 12th Amendment instituted the Electoral College and a Massachusetts governor (Gerry) carved out voting districts to assure that his party would win them.

    What are a people to do when their democracy has been infected by such complicities?

    Simply not put up with them!
    Establish a system where there is "federal and state campaign financing.... AND set up a CITIZEN PANEL, with 2 persons from each state, to 'receive and review "any" proposal that "any" lobbyist present.. and if it passes this panel, this panel has to contact their representatives and their representatives are mandated to bring it to the Senate Floor for Vote.
    This removes Lobbyist from having any contact or influence with or upon the Elected Senate Representatives. The Elected Representative will have to vote the voice of the people who sent them there, and what comes from this panel.. will be reflected in the Senators Vote... this means the senator cannot vote based on outside influence from any lobbyist.

    We take back the voice of the people and this is how we get control of those whom we elect!!!!

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    Re: Civics Education in the US

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    Have you ever met an electoral college voter? Am just curious. I don't believe I have ever met one of these far superior intellects.

    By your reasoning we need the electoral college is because everyone is too stupid then why does this smaller group of stupids need more electoral voters then this larger group of stupids?

    As long as these electoral voters are superior in intelligence then they should be capable of representing the same number of people. This whole thought process is ludicrous.




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    The honest to goodness truth about what "Willful Ignorance" produces -- It has damaged America and various places around the world for Centuries.

    There were two kinds of people that came to America for European Lands.

    1. The Democracy Loving People, who respected the Declaration of Independence, The Constitution, Regulatory Governance and the Principles of Democracy and the Republic Form of Representative Governance, and they have respect for the system of Capitalism, not to abuse it, fleece it, and degrade it, They are the people who know and understand that "Currency" is a governmental instrument, designed to facilitate "exchange", to support the flourishing of a nation and its people... Not to chase it by any vile one can imagine, not to bury it off shore in acts of economic subversion against the economic systems of America, and not to be driven by Avarice. such ones who pursut that point and fact; is the types who have no sense of decency, dignity, integrity and honor, or respect for the American System of economics and the principles of Democracy.

    2. The " Savage(s)"", who live by the edicts of savagery, act by the most vile of conduct and will engage any atrocity for money, and will disrespect the Governance, the Laws and the system of Justice; they have no respect for the system of Republic design of Representative Governance, and they have no regard for humane or environmental concerns. They have an obsessive drive to engage savagery, because a savage will be what makes a savage. They will contort Religion, for the sake of a savage angle, in their obsession of greed, and they will seek to usurp and undermine any and every system of governing decency, and have an obsessively savage drive to try and create a system of Serfdom, while pursuing to disgrace Democracy, by trying to supplant it with Plutocracy.
    Savage = a people regarded as primitive and uncivilized, fierce, violent, and uncontrolled - one who attack ferociously!!!!

    Avarice = extreme greed for wealth or material gain, drive by greediness, acquisitiveness, cupidity, covetousness, rapacity, materialism.
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