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    Are private schools really better than public schools?

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    Although the survey claims only to look at factors that contribute to a future sense of well-being (good job, good life) rather than how well educated students are, there is a tacit invitation for people to draw conclusions about the superior quality of an NAIS education. As a result, the report could have unintended consequences, the most dangerous of which is confirming a tendency to believe that education in independent schools must be better than what happens in public schools.


    ... After all, just look at the numbers used in the NAIS fliers: ď77 percent of NAIS grads complete college on time, compared to 64 percent of public school grads,Ē and about the same percentages enjoy academic challenges.


    So why mess with success? Here's why:
    *The difference in the percentages quoted above is minimal - only 13%. Yeah, OK, so "13%" is not so little and, of course, we want "want only the best for our kids".
    *Far too many of us want the best, which is creating both a social and an economic cleavage in society due to the present scheme of financing education - which is outdated. And our kids going to school with kids from the same socioeconomic context is not going to help.
    *Whyzzat? Because it is in our youth that we learn to meet/greet/like-or-dislike the people who surround us on a frequent basis in school. The experience forms long-lasting personal opinions of our societal-context, and, unfortunately, our prejudices as well.

    And so? So this:
    *This is not a monologue against private-school education. Just a word of caution for those who do not want necessarily to educate their children into class-prejudices that can last a lifetime.
    *This socioeconomic context of ours is a non-homogenous blend of peoples and families from very different contexts. We are all still Americans and One Nation. Despite the fact that gross-unfairness exists in terms of Income Disparity throughout the nation, east-and-west as well as north-and-south.
    *Is that unfairness acceptable? Nope. And it is due largely to our educational system which is NOT FREE, GRATIS AND FOR NOTHING at the tertiary-schooling level. As it should be.
    *Whyzat? It happened for the same reason that as America evolved out of the Agricultural Age into the Industrial Age we understood the necessity of assuring a Primary and Secondary Education. (Coming off the farms into better-paying industrial jobs were people who could not even read and write.)
    *Most importantly, Age Change is happening once again. We are exiting the Industrial Age and entering the Information Age, for which knowledge and knowhow become key necessities. Both of those attributes comes from a higher educational level throughout the Tertiary Level - vocational, associates, bachelors, masters, doctorate.
    *And in order to assure that ALL our people have the same opportunity, Post-secondary Education should free, gratis and for nothing.

    It is in Europe. I live in France, and I've sent my two kids to university for less than $600 (in euros) per year plus room-'n-board.

    I am thus assured that they have the best chances to make good with their lives. The necessary education is there, the rest is up to their efforts and Lady-Luck.

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    Re: Are private schools really better than public schools?

    There are a whole lot of great paying skilled jobs in manufacturing being staffed by vets with electrical/electronics and people with a 2 year vocational/associates. And being one of those people with a 2 year, the only reason itís required is because people coming out of public high school are so... unqualified.

    I donít think we should be publicly funding college because the lower schools are failing, and in the process pushing a lot of kids who arenít cut out for college out of skilled jobs they could do.

    Yet they could be. We dont need just more wood shop. We need more applied mathematics, like accounting and budgeting and taxes, we need more home ec/cooking, we need welding and fabrication, we need basic electricity, electronics and programming. At the teen years or younger.

    But that would require a hard look at education and I donít think the dominant left in education is willing to work together for solution we all think would be better.
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    Re: Are private schools really better than public schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    There are a whole lot of great paying skilled jobs in manufacturing being staffed by vets with electrical/electronics and people with a 2 year vocational/associates. And being one of those people with a 2 year, the only reason itís required is because people coming out of public high school are so... unqualified.

    I donít think we should be publicly funding college because the lower schools are failing, and in the process pushing a lot of kids who arenít cut out for college out of skilled jobs they could do.

    Yet they could be. We dont need just more wood shop. We need more applied mathematics, like accounting and budgeting and taxes, we need more home ec/cooking, we need welding and fabrication, we need basic electricity, electronics and programming. At the teen years or younger.

    But that would require a hard look at education and I donít think the dominant left in education is willing to work together for solution we all think would be better.
    I don't see a problem with doing any of it so long as we cut our military budget just a smidgeon to compensate.

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    Re: Are private schools really better than public schools?

    Donít need to. We can actually just quit teach stupid **** and focus on what is actually necessary.
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    Re: Are private schools really better than public schools?

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    Don’t need to. We can actually just quit teach stupid **** and focus on what is actually necessary.
    What's actually necessary and who decides?

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    Re: Are private schools really better than public schools?

    It is very difficult to compare the effectiveness of private schools to public schools. Public schools have to take in everyone. Private schools can be picky about who they admit. So before private schools ever even teach the kids a thing they are starting off with a group of kids who are more academically capable.
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    Re: Are private schools really better than public schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by Skeptic Bob View Post
    It is very difficult to compare the effectiveness of private schools to public schools. Public schools have to take in everyone. Private schools can be picky about who they admit. So before private schools ever even teach the kids a thing they are starting off with a group of kids who are more academically capable.
    Valid point. And if you look at methods, public schools are more often more creative. Private schools large do little to nothign different.

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    Re: Are private schools really better than public schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    There are a whole lot of great paying skilled jobs in manufacturing being staffed by vets with electrical/electronics and people with a 2 year vocational/associates. And being one of those people with a 2 year, the only reason it’s required is because people coming out of public high school are so... unqualified.

    I don’t think we should be publicly funding college because the lower schools are failing, and in the process pushing a lot of kids who aren’t cut out for college out of skilled jobs they could do.

    Yet they could be. We dont need just more wood shop. We need more applied mathematics, like accounting and budgeting and taxes, we need more home ec/cooking, we need welding and fabrication, we need basic electricity, electronics and programming. At the teen years or younger.

    But that would require a hard look at education and I don’t think the dominant left in education is willing to work together for solution we all think would be better.
    A lot of what you listed also requires good university education.
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    Re: Are private schools really better than public schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by Skeptic Bob View Post
    It is very difficult to compare the effectiveness of private schools to public schools. Public schools have to take in everyone. Private schools can be picky about who they admit. So before private schools ever even teach the kids a thing they are starting off with a group of kids who are more academically capable.
    And as a general rule kids who go to private schools come from a higher socioeconomic background which IMO has an even greater correlation to academic success than school choice. We have no private schools where I live, guess which kids succeeded (some of them wildly) and guess which kids failed (again some of them spectacularly).
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    Re: Are private schools really better than public schools?

    depends on the school. my parents both dedicated their lives to being public school teachers, and my wife has taught at both public and private schools. i graduated from a public school, and got a great education. my wife has taught at both, and my impression is that the private school didn't treat her nearly as well. this makes sense, as they have to skim the money from somewhere. i don't support using public money for private schools except in extreme circumstances. i also don't support creating those extreme circumstances so that public money can go to for-profit schools.

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