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    Re: Are private schools really better than public schools?

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    Yeah, but is university intended to be job training? Technical school, yes, trade school definitely but university?
    Finland has one of the most successful education systems in the world. They have a population of about five and a half million and about a dozen universities, which says they must be hosting a lot of foreign students. If they can do it, maybe a look ought to be taken at how.
    Find a system that works and do it like that. Sounds simple to me.
    This sounds like common sense, but ... you have to take into account 'culture'. Singapore has a pretty good education system. But ... it's 85% Chinese, and it's the Chinese who do best in that system. If you tried to implement Singapore's system in South Chicago, you would not get the same results, unless you also imported Singapore's students. And contrariwise, if you exported South Chicago's student population to Singapore, you would get ... perhaps better than South Chicago's results now, but probably way below Singapore's results now.

    I have a friend who is a math tutor in Singapore, who told me that what you are not told about their methods is that almost every Chinese student has a private tutor ... plus two parents who make sure their kid works hard.
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    This is not an argument against studying other education systems, just one that says we have to take into account the 'culture' and maybe the genetics as well, of the student body (and the teachers) before trying to adapt the methods of these systems.

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    Re: Are private schools really better than public schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by Doug1943 View Post
    This sounds like common sense, but ... you have to take into account 'culture'. Singapore has a pretty good education system. But ... it's 85% Chinese, and it's the Chinese who do best in that system. If you tried to implement Singapore's system in South Chicago, you would not get the same results, unless you also imported Singapore's students. And contrariwise, if you exported South Chicago's student population to Singapore, you would get ... perhaps better than South Chicago's results now, but probably way below Singapore's results now.

    I have a friend who is a math tutor in Singapore, who told me that what you are not told about their methods is that almost every Chinese student has a private tutor ... plus two parents who make sure their kid works hard.
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    This is not an argument against studying other education systems, just one that says we have to take into account the 'culture' and maybe the genetics as well, of the student body (and the teachers) before trying to adapt the methods of these systems.
    Yeah, very interesting about the cultural difference between Singapore and the US but I refered to Finland. This list will work as well as any...

    https://www.master-and-more.eu/en/to...-in-the-world/

    South Korea
    Japan
    Singapore
    Hong Kong
    Finland
    The United Kingdom
    Canada
    The Netherlands
    Ireland
    Poland
    Denmark
    Germany
    Russia
    The United States
    Australia

    There's 8 European countries and Canada between the US and the top of the list. Choose from them whatever works for them. Shouldn't be any huge cultural differences. If it's insurmountable, I guess nothing can be done.
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    Re: Are private schools really better than public schools?

    I think there are actually two educational problems in the US, probably not closely related with respect to cause and cure: education for Blacks and Hispanics mainly in the inner cities of the North, and in the South and Southwest, on the one hand; and all the others, on the other hand. In the latter case, the experience of (indigenous) Europeans is no doubt relevant, but not so much in the former case.

    In the former case, I would examine Cuba, which actually has excellent results educationally.

    I also believe that the arguments for vouchers/charter schools are often driven by ambitious Black and Hispanic parents, and those white liberals who care about them, who want schools where the uneducable wasters and disruptors are excluded. I've been impressed by attacks on charter schools that get good results in which their critics make the argument that, well, of course charters get better results, because they exclude the troublemakers. Well, why can't the state schools exclude them as well?

    I admit my views here are just impressions based on a small non-random sample of the enormous number of writings about American education, plus my own real but minimal experience teaching in working-class state secondary schools in Britain, which have some of the same problems American schools do.

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    Re: Are private schools really better than public schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by Skeptic Bob View Post
    It is very difficult to compare the effectiveness of private schools to public schools. Public schools have to take in everyone. Private schools can be picky about who they admit. So before private schools ever even teach the kids a thing they are starting off with a group of kids who are more academically capable.
    Good post! A person's success in life is very much a function of who their parents are. Kids with successful parents by and large are going to teach, encourage, and instill those values into their children. The probability that those children are going to succeed is going to be much higher than that of children born to poor and/or parents who have not been successful.

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