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Conservatives Vs. Liberals according to California HS Public Education


I think it's a misnomer to use the "con" and "lib" naming conventions in a lesson like this.
They should be using "Republican" versus "Democrat", and they would do well to illustrate the changing platforms of both parties down through the years.

Be careful, because someone might just leak what they teach in the same kind of class in TEXAS.
I know, because my kids spent most if not all of their school career in Texas.
 
No, that's just your bigoted confirmation bias speaking.

Stop misusing the word "bigot" as a catch all.
You're WHITE, correct?
RabidAlpaca, what race are you if I may ask?

This has nothing to do with race, ethnicity or religion, so the word "bigot" does not apply.
No one's telling you to use a separate water fountain or eat your lunch on the stoop, or sit in the back of the bus.
No one is burning crosses on your lawn, no one's bombing your church and no one's lynching your daddy.
 
Stop misusing the word "bigot" as a catch all.
You're WHITE, correct?
RabidAlpaca, what race are you if I may ask?

This has nothing to do with race, ethnicity or religion, so the word "bigot" does not apply.
No one's telling you to use a separate water fountain or eat your lunch on the stoop, or sit in the back of the bus.
No one is burning crosses on your lawn, no one's bombing your church and no one's lynching your daddy.


One day, when you've grasped that words have more meaning then the limited scope of your narrow experience, you'll see how stupid this post of yours was.
 
I think it's a misnomer to use the "con" and "lib" naming conventions in a lesson like this.
They should be using "Republican" versus "Democrat", and they would do well to illustrate the changing platforms of both parties down through the years.

Be careful, because someone might just leak what they teach in the same kind of class in TEXAS.
I know, because my kids spent most if not all of their school career in Texas.

Lucky kids. Also, 8 years of Dem President... wages stagnate, jobs hard to get, unemployment high, rich get richer.
2 years of the GOP... wages growing, economy growing, unemployment dropping... The results speak far louder than intent of words.
 
Missing a crap ton of context though - is this being taught by teachers, is this part of a student presentation, did someone just sneak in and put up a slide in an empty classroom in order to get people to get upset...?

Seems like there should be more to the story...

that's probably what hacks want you to believe, that a facebook post of a computer screen must mean those poopyhead liberals are pushing liberal agenda on students. I highly doubt schools are teaching that.
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But then again, it seems pretty spot on in a general sense (everybody knows there are exceptions). And for those conservatives that don't think it is, lets hear the argument why not. Not stupid deflections and "its biased nonsense" with no explanation.

I can provide arguments supporting each and every one of those

I would also add "don't have empathy" to con column and "has empathy" to the liberal column
 
One day, when you've grasped that words have more meaning then the limited scope of your narrow experience, you'll see how stupid this post of yours was.

Heh, I am well aware of the expanded definition of the word however in the US it is primarily associated with racial, cultural, ethnic or religious hatred and prejudice. We're not in the 1930's and this isn't Col. Blimp's column in The Evening Standard.

"Freedom is a lot more important than money, she said. Remember that. here we're free. And you must never ever be a bigot. What is a bigot anyway?
A bigot is a hater, she said. A bigot hates Catholics. A bigot hates Jews. A bigot hates colored people. It's no sin to be poor, she said. It is a sin to be a bigot. Don't ever be one of them. No, Mommy, I said. I won't be one of them. And I imagined a bigot with yellow eyes and a tall black hat and fangs for teeth. I said I would watch for them and if a bigot came to our street I would tell her and she could use the telephone in Mr. Kelly's kitchen and call the police." (Pete Hamill - A Drinking Life)
 
Lucky kids. Also, 8 years of Dem President... wages stagnate, jobs hard to get, unemployment high, rich get richer.
2 years of the GOP... wages growing, economy growing, unemployment dropping... The results speak far louder than intent of words.

GOP Tax Cuts Not Why Economy Is Booming

Unemployment went DOWN under Obama 2009 all the way to 2016, so I don't know what country you were living in, but that was a fact. Wages have been stagnant for thirty plus years.
And the rich just got a $1.5Tn dollar windfall.
 
GOP Tax Cuts Not Why Economy Is Booming

Unemployment went DOWN under Obama 2009 all the way to 2016, so I don't know what country you were living in, but that was a fact. Wages have been stagnant for thirty plus years.
And the rich just got a $1.5Tn dollar windfall.

Yes yes, we know, it took 8 years for Obama's magic economic success to percolate and of course the GOP is just the lucky recipients. Just like Reagan's economic success was really the hard work of Carter right?
 
Yes yes, we know, it took 8 years for Obama's magic economic success to percolate and of course the GOP is just the lucky recipients. Just like Reagan's economic success was really the hard work of Carter right?

Do you need to re-read what I posted?
 
I don't have enough background to say either way, the source, admittedly facebook says it was class work by teacher.
Context may be important.

Sometimes folks who ask other folks to get riled leave pertinent stuff out.
 
At best, 2 descriptors for either liberals or conservatives are justifiable. The rest are weak.

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Context may be important.

Sometimes folks who ask other folks to get riled leave pertinent stuff out.

I am not disagreeing with that sentiment in the least. Just consider me jaded enough that I wouldn't be shocked.
 
So what I see pictured in the OP is one "slide" presented in abstraction. What is the rest of the context associated with the lecture in which that slide was used? In some contexts, there's nothing wrong with that slide, and in others, the content shown is misleading.

(I don't have a Facebook account, so I don't know that I can scroll to the section of Radical Liberty's "page" to see what additional context is shared.)
 
I don't have enough background to say either way, the source, admittedly facebook says it was class work by teacher.
I think we know enough to know this is bull****. This guy keeps posting similar slides yet he's unwilling to give out the school or teacher for fear of persecution. He could easily anonymously get that information out. And if this were a classroom full of students he wouldn't be the only one asking "WTF is this and why am I being taught like this?"

It's so easy to see that this is very likely fake that it amazes me that people post it as though it's likely true. It's sad. Leave facebook bull**** on facebook. Seriously.
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I think we know enough to know this is bull****. This guy keeps posting similar slides yet he's unwilling to give out the school or teacher for fear of persecution. He could easily anonymously get that information out. And if this were a classroom full of students he wouldn't be the only one asking "WTF is this and why am I being taught like this?"

It's so easy to see that this is very likely fake that it amazes me that people post it as though it's likely true. It's sad. Leave facebook bull**** on facebook. Seriously.
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It is healthy to be skeptical. However, I would say the slides don't seem *too* outlandish to believe.

In a civics course, public school teachers are looking for ways to simplify the meaning of liberal and conservative for their students. Often this means taking generalizations and plopping them onto your slides. And that's where bias can emerge, along with a lack of sophistication and historical insight (I would gander few public school teachers have ever spent much time reading liberal and conservative intellectual history).

Would a teacher do students a disservice by using this slide? Absolutely. Do I believe that it is unlikely a teacher would ever produce something that looks like this? No, I think it is possible.

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It is healthy to be skeptical. However, I would say the slides don't seem *too* outlandish to believe.

In a civics course, public school teachers are looking for ways to simplify the meaning of liberal and conservative for their students. Often this means taking generalizations and plopping them onto your slides. And that's where bias can emerge, along with a lack of sophistication and historical insight (I would gander few public school teachers have ever spent much time reading liberal and conservative intellectual history).

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I completely agree that bias can come out. But in the form of that slide? Come on, that's unrealistic. When you top that off with the fact that this guy is using it to try to build up a following while wanting to remain 100% anonymous and will not give out the school or teacher anonymously, I call bull****.
 
I completely agree that bias can come out. But in the form of that slide? Come on, that's unrealistic. When you top that off with the fact that this guy is using it to try to build up a following while wanting to remain 100% anonymous and will not give out the school or teacher anonymously, I call bull****.

I have had conversations with former mentors and would-be colleagues that twisted the meaning of conservative and liberal to mean certain things, and have also witnessed them tell students things that either run afoul of history or oversimplify things.

It doesn't strike me as outlandish. An outlier, perhaps, but not outlandish.

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I have had conversations with former mentors and would-be colleagues that twisted the meaning of conservative and liberal to mean certain things, and have also witnessed them tell students things that either run afoul of history or oversimplify things.

It doesn't strike me as outlandish. An outlier, perhaps, but not outlandish.

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Well, agree to disagree. I'm not saying that this slide is impossible, but in reality if it happened it would be called out by the school in a heartbeat. If any of my teachers had ever put that up I wouldn't be scared of talking to them after class and telling them my concerns or even going to the principal and telling them how appropriate this would be. All of this "I can't say the school because they'll come after me" nonsense just screams fake.
 
Well, agree to disagree. I'm not saying that this slide is impossible, but in reality if it happened it would be called out by the school in a heartbeat. If any of my teachers had ever put that up I wouldn't be scared of talking to them after class and telling them my concerns or even going to the principal and telling them how appropriate this would be. All of this "I can't say the school because they'll come after me" nonsense just screams fake.
All I am saying is that I can see where parts of this are relatively innocent, and other bits may not be. Furthermore, I can also see where each side wants to think they are the good guys, but may not want to fess up to the wrong or even the tough on their end. It may not have happened the way the student alleged, but I wouldn't be shocked if it had.

Likewise, look, if you read Edmund Burke and Russel Kirk, neither of them are all that shy about their social hierarchies. If you read Tocqueville and populists (right wing or left wing) throughout American history, yes, there is a current of anti-intellectualism that is present, because they believe they value the practical over the abstract, things you can see and touch today versus reading things for its own sake. There is also the belief from some prominent thinkers of 20th century American conservatism that taught us that not all things were meant to be shared with all people. Truth, as it were, may *need* to be isolated to the select few, because the many may not be able to handle it, aren't capable of understanding it, and may even misuse it.

This is a basic lesson gone wrong, both because of a lack of familiarity and tact from the instructor, and the belief we are all the good guys and things that make us sound bad (but could be defensible) shouldn't be said.

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What was the objective of the lesson ( let's play this is real without evidence). Maybe to show the way students perceived the two categories. Maybe, they did a lesson afterwards to explain how we ended up with a two party system that actually shares more things in common then either side wants to admit. Both sides want to divide and conquer. Both sides seem war hungry. This is our politics like the winner/loser mindset you find in a football or baseball game. Almost a perfect English literature lesson about paradox and antithesis.
 
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Stop misusing the word "bigot" as a catch all.
You're WHITE, correct?
RabidAlpaca, what race are you if I may ask?

This has nothing to do with race, ethnicity or religion, so the word "bigot" does not apply.
No one's telling you to use a separate water fountain or eat your lunch on the stoop, or sit in the back of the bus.
No one is burning crosses on your lawn, no one's bombing your church and no one's lynching your daddy.

Lol, You should invest in a dictionary or try using Google if you can't afford one.

"You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means"
 
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