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Trump order seeks to limit federal role in K-12 education

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WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump signed an executive order Wednesday that aims to reduce the federal government’s role in K-12 education.

Trump is giving Education Secretary Betsy DeVos just short of a year — 300 days — to identify areas where Washington has overstepped its legal authority in education, and modify and repeal regulations and guidance from her department, if necessary. A report will be returned to the White House and eventually made public, officials said.

Trump complained that the government over the years has forced states and schools to comply with ‘‘federal whims.’’ He said the order will help restore local control over education.

‘‘We know that local communities do it best and know it best,’’ Trump said, surrounded by governors, members of Congress and teachers. ‘‘The time has come to empower parents and teachers to make the decisions that help their students achieve success.’’

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https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/na...e-education/nW0zTL2AvwhE3ak3VWYuxO/story.html

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Republicans think that government is incompetent and when elected seek to prove that it is.
 
Winston said:
Republicans think that government is incompetent and when elected seek to prove that it is.
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IMO, the FedGov is all too invasive in our private affairs. Indoctrinating our children isn't in the Constitution.
 
In 2016 the budget for the Dept of Education was about 68 billion.
Decisions for the education system should be at the local level. Not
coming from bureaucrats in Washington, DC.
 
Winston said:
Republicans think that government is incompetent and when elected seek to prove that it is.
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That's been the strategy for a long time. This administration is a lot more open about though. Nearly every nominee wants to abolish the thing that they are now heading.
 
WCH said:
IMO, the FedGov is all too invasive in our private affairs. Indoctrinating our children isn't in the Constitution.
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Why would we turn to the Constitution for guidance on education, when there wasn't even a Department of Education until the 20th century. In the 1700's, if you were wealthy, you had to hire a governess to come teach your children. Maybe we should return to those glorious days?
 
WCH said:
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump signed an executive order Wednesday that aims to reduce the federal government’s role in K-12 education.

Trump is giving Education Secretary Betsy DeVos just short of a year — 300 days — to identify areas where Washington has overstepped its legal authority in education, and modify and repeal regulations and guidance from her department, if necessary. A report will be returned to the White House and eventually made public, officials said.

Trump complained that the government over the years has forced states and schools to comply with ‘‘federal whims.’’ He said the order will help restore local control over education.

‘‘We know that local communities do it best and know it best,’’ Trump said, surrounded by governors, members of Congress and teachers. ‘‘The time has come to empower parents and teachers to make the decisions that help their students achieve success.’’

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https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/na...e-education/nW0zTL2AvwhE3ak3VWYuxO/story.html

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I remember how up in arms the left was over "No child left behind". Now they miss it, I guess.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
In 2016 the budget for the Dept of Education was about 68 billion.
Decisions for the education system should be at the local level. Not
coming from bureaucrats in Washington, DC.
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On what metric do you base this determination? Please name some bureaucrats in DC that have ruined education.

Also for context, education was 6% of discretionary spending:

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MrPeanut said:
That's been the strategy for a long time. This administration is a lot more open about though. Nearly every nominee wants to abolish the thing that they are now heading.
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It's a part of the GOP donor mission, privatize everything you can for monetary gain, and make the rich even richer.
 
Winston said:
Why would we turn to the Constitution for guidance on education, when there wasn't even a Department of Education until the 20th century. In the 1700's, if you were wealthy, you had to hire a governess to come teach your children. Maybe we should return to those glorious days?
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Public education has been around since the early 1800's. DOE since 1967. We got along just fine without federal interference in education for 150 years. Some would say far better.
 
jimbo said:
Public education has been around since the early 1800's. DOE since 1967. We got along just fine without federal interference in education for 150 years. Some would say far better.
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So, abolish public schooling and return to the governess for hire model?

Would save the taxpayers billions.


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Winston said:
Why would we turn to the Constitution for guidance on education, when there wasn't even a Department of Education until the 20th century. In the 1700's, if you were wealthy, you had to hire a governess to come teach your children. Maybe we should return to those glorious days?
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Why did the FedGov assume that responsibility is the real question. I think we know why.
 
Winston said:
So, abolish public schooling and return to the governess for hire model?

Would save the taxpayers billions.


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I didn't say that, now did I? Public education has been around far longer than DOE.

That's what I said.
 
jimbo said:
I didn't say that, now did I? Public education has been around far longer than DOE.

That's what I said.
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Ok, I gotcha. Maybe abolish the DOE though. Especially since it was never addressed in the Constitution.


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WCH said:
Why did the FedGov assume that responsibility is the real question. I think we know why.
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... to help people and teachers...


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Winston said:
... to help people and teachers...


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As a big government Progressive, I could see why you think that but, they provide funding to the states [with the states own money] with caveats designed to keep power in their hands.
 
WCH said:
As a big government Progressive, I could see why you think that but, they provide funding to the states [with the states own money] with caveats designed to keep power in their hands.
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What are you talking about?


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WCH said:
The states send money to DC and it's doled back to them in federal funding. Why do you think that is?
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So, your position is weaken the DOE because it strengthens education at a local level?
 
chuckiechan said:
I remember how up in arms the left was over "No child left behind". Now they miss it, I guess.
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It sucked.

Typical Repub BS. Bush talked about education reform more than anything else during the campaign. When the Senate opened hearings to work on it, nobody from the White House came. When they finally dragged someone down there, to the hearings, they threw together that kludge.
 
WCH said:
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump signed an executive order Wednesday that aims to reduce the federal government’s role in K-12 education.

Trump is giving Education Secretary Betsy DeVos just short of a year — 300 days — to identify areas where Washington has overstepped its legal authority in education, and modify and repeal regulations and guidance from her department, if necessary. A report will be returned to the White House and eventually made public, officials said.

Trump complained that the government over the years has forced states and schools to comply with ‘‘federal whims.’’ He said the order will help restore local control over education.

‘‘We know that local communities do it best and know it best,’’ Trump said, surrounded by governors, members of Congress and teachers. ‘‘The time has come to empower parents and teachers to make the decisions that help their students achieve success.’’

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https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/na...e-education/nW0zTL2AvwhE3ak3VWYuxO/story.html

:applaud
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When the states ran the education systems for K-12 the United States ranked first in the word in science, math etc. Once the fed became involved, we've dropped to something like 28th and 32nd.
 
Winston said:
Ok, I gotcha. Maybe abolish the DOE though. Especially since it was never addressed in the Constitution.


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I didn't say that either, now did I?

I get that you are attempting to make a point that since George Washington's kids had a tutor 200 years ago, the feds should be involved in education today.

I'll not assist you in making that point.
 
Perotista said:
When the states ran the education systems for K-12 the United States ranked first in the word in science, math etc. Once the fed became involved, we've dropped to something like 28th and 32nd.
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DOE was never about Education. It was always about social engineering.
 
Winston said:
On what metric do you base this determination? Please name some bureaucrats in DC that have ruined education.

Also for context, education was 6% of discretionary spending:

2016-budget-chart-discretionary.png
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Posting a pie chart does not change the fact that 2016 the budget for the Dept of Education was about 68 billion. Local control is much better than edicts from Washington, DC.
Glad to hear about the executive order that aims to reduce the federal government’s role in K-12. education.
 
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