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Students segregated at lunch based on grades, attendance

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According to school officials, the program was rolled out at Hudson High School at the beginning of the school year.

The basic principle of the program is to flag students who may not be on track to graduate and give them an incentive to improve.

Students segregated at lunch based on grades, attendance

Interesting. I'm of two minds about this. On one hand I am pretty sure that this will not work for all students. It's essentially an "embarrass" them into submission type of program, which quite frankly never worked for me personally. On the other hand it probably would work for other students. I've never been fond of "one size fits all" type of mantra which this essentially is. I would prefer a more diverse education program.
 
Students segregated at lunch based on grades, attendance

Interesting. I'm of two minds about this. On one hand I am pretty sure that this will not work for all students. It's essentially an "embarrass" them into submission type of program, which quite frankly never worked for me personally. On the other hand it probably would work for other students. I've never been fond of "one size fits all" type of mantra which this essentially is. I would prefer a more diverse education program.

I prefer the pointed hat with a large „D“ approach.
 
Students segregated at lunch based on grades, attendance

Interesting. I'm of two minds about this. On one hand I am pretty sure that this will not work for all students. It's essentially an "embarrass" them into submission type of program, which quite frankly never worked for me personally. On the other hand it probably would work for other students. I've never been fond of "one size fits all" type of mantra which this essentially is. I would prefer a more diverse education program.

Isn't one of the pervasive social complaints these days that "shaming" is a form of bullying?

That said, I've always believed that encouraging education starts at home, with parents making sure their kids are motivated to do well in school.

Schools are the resource. However, kids need to want to use that resource effectively and that comes from how their "village" (family, friends, community) raises them.

IMO placing the whole burden (and hence any blame for failure) on school systems not only to teach, but to figure out how to motivate kids to want to learn is passing on responsibilities rightly belonging to family and their community.

So I don't think this segregation during student's "free time" is a good idea. It will just cause more resentment in most students, who are already balls of conflicting fears and emotions as it is.
 
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Students segregated at lunch based on grades, attendance

Interesting. I'm of two minds about this. On one hand I am pretty sure that this will not work for all students. It's essentially an "embarrass" them into submission type of program, which quite frankly never worked for me personally. On the other hand it probably would work for other students. I've never been fond of "one size fits all" type of mantra which this essentially is. I would prefer a more diverse education program.

I predict that this idea will backfire.
 
I prefer the pointed hat with a large „D“ approach.

Yes I’m sure you quite enjoyed doing that to students with learning disabilities.
 
Isn't one of the pervasive social complaints these days that "shaming" is a form of bullying?

That said, I've always believed that encouraging education starts at home, with parents making sure their kids are motivated to do well in school.

Schools are the resource. However, kids need to want to use that resource effectively and that comes from how their "village" (family, friends, community) raises them.

IMO placing the whole burden (and hence any blame for failure) on school systems not only to teach, but to figure out how to motivate kids to want to learn is passing on responsibilities rightly belonging to family and their community.

So I don't think this segregation during student's "free time" is a good idea. It will just cause more resentment in most students, who are already balls of conflicting fears and emotions as it is.

Depends on how much its done and what the purpose is. There actually isn't any real harm in a little bit of shaming as long as its directed towards getting someone to improve.
 
Depends on how much its done and what the purpose is. There actually isn't any real harm in a little bit of shaming as long as its directed towards getting someone to improve.

Totally disagree. Not everyone has the same ability to learn. Just like not everyone will grow as much,or be the perfect weight. Should we segregate the kids based on height or weight? Should we shame the kid who has a 100 IQ?
 
Totally disagree. Not everyone has the same ability to learn. Just like not everyone will grow as much,or be the perfect weight. Should we segregate the kids based on height or weight? Should we shame the kid who has a 100 IQ?

1: You do know that 100 IQ is actually average right? What Is the Average IQ?

2: Height and weight comment is hyperbolic.

A simple look that convey's disappointment can make a kid feel shamed. Yet does absolutely no harm. It can make the kid strive harder which is a good thing.
 
1: You do know that 100 IQ is actually average right? What Is the Average IQ?

2: Height and weight comment is hyperbolic.

A simple look that convey's disappointment can make a kid feel shamed. Yet does absolutely no harm. It can make the kid strive harder which is a good thing.

My point exactly. So should that kid feel shamed because he can't sit at my son's lunch table? We can just disagree on this one. I do not feel like shaming is a good idea.
Especially if someone is working to their full potential.
 
My point exactly. So should that kid feel shamed because he can't sit at my son's lunch table? We can just disagree on this one. I do not feel like shaming is a good idea.
Especially if someone is working to their full potential.

You'll never know if someone is working to their full potential unless you push them. Shaming is one technique in that. One among many and all of which should be utilized based on the individuals.
 
Well for starters, the conditions in the lunch room for the kids stuck there needs to be decent, actual places to sit, ability to eat their lunch, etc.

But I didnt see if there's anything constructive being offered to the students that have been separated out...guidance counselors speaking on careers, motivation, anything structured? I think that should be included if they're going to consider this anything more than punishment.

Not that I'm against discipline but that doesnt seem like this is the point of this program.
 
Well for starters, the conditions in the lunch room for the kids stuck there needs to be decent, actual places to sit, ability to eat their lunch, etc.

But I didnt see if there's anything constructive being offered to the students that have been separated out...guidance counselors speaking on careers, motivation, anything structured? I think that should be included if they're going to consider this anything more than punishment.

Not that I'm against discipline but that doesnt seem like this is the point of this program.

Students could use the already available resources. Seems that they have quite a few actually. Even free tutoring: Pasco High School
 
Students could use the already available resources. Seems that they have quite a few actually. Even free tutoring: Pasco High School

But that doesnt mean they'll take advantage of them. They probably arent...hence the lack of privileges in the lunch room.

They are a captive audience in the lunch room....I was thinking it would be nice to see the school make the most of it. That wasnt really explored in the article, unless I missed it.
 
But that doesnt mean they'll take advantage of them. They probably arent...hence the lack of privileges in the lunch room.

They are a captive audience in the lunch room....I was thinking it would be nice to see the school make the most of it. That wasnt really explored in the article, unless I missed it.

I see your point. Don't know if there is or not. There's always two sides to a story and most articles always leave out one side or the other.

Note: I provided the wrong link/school in my previous post. I looked up the wrong school so that info is incorrect. My apologies.
 
I don't like the idea at all. A lower performer might be best friends with a higher performer in the school.

You just end up hurting them both.
 
You'll never know if someone is working to their full potential unless you push them. Shaming is one technique in that. One among many and all of which should be utilized based on the individuals.

Like most forms of negative reinforcement, shaming has been shown not to work.

Why not have assigned seating in the cafeteria? That should end the "cool kids" not letting the "nerds" sit at their table. They might even get to know students who aren't in their clique. Wouldn't that be wonderful?
 
Yes I’m sure you quite enjoyed doing that to students with learning disabilities.

Nope. Where I went to school the teachers punished poor performance more radically and flunked them out of school.
 
Isn't one of the pervasive social complaints these days that "shaming" is a form of bullying?

That said, I've always believed that encouraging education starts at home, with parents making sure their kids are motivated to do well in school.

Schools are the resource. However, kids need to want to use that resource effectively and that comes from how their "village" (family, friends, community) raises them.

IMO placing the whole burden (and hence any blame for failure) on school systems not only to teach, but to figure out how to motivate kids to want to learn is passing on responsibilities rightly belonging to family and their community.

So I don't think this segregation during student's "free time" is a good idea. It will just cause more resentment in most students, who are already balls of conflicting fears and emotions as it is.

Yes, all of this.

Furthermore, this teaches classism, while at the same time making it more difficult to move past the "lower" classes. The kids that are in the lower groupings won't look at those in the higher ones and say "Oh, if only I could be like them"...they'll be like "**** those guys, bunch of goody two shoes, why do I want to sit with them anyway, all my buddies are here".

And shaming teenagers is just assholery on the part of the school. Teens get shamed over every little thing by their peers, they don't need the folks they are relying upon to get them to the next level to join in the pile on. The job of the school should be to inspire and motivate...shaming is not that, it's lazy assed logic and they should stop. I wouldn't let my kid go to that school, even if he was in the over achiever group.
 
Like most forms of negative reinforcement, shaming has been shown not to work.

Why not have assigned seating in the cafeteria? That should end the "cool kids" not letting the "nerds" sit at their table. They might even get to know students who aren't in their clique. Wouldn't that be wonderful?

Found the nerd! You just can't sit with us Dittohead :cool:

On a serious note, I'm opposed to that. I enjoyed having lunch with my friends and girlfriend.
 
Isn't one of the pervasive social complaints these days that "shaming" is a form of bullying?

That said, I've always believed that encouraging education starts at home, with parents making sure their kids are motivated to do well in school.

Schools are the resource. However, kids need to want to use that resource effectively and that comes from how their "village" (family, friends, community) raises them.

IMO placing the whole burden (and hence any blame for failure) on school systems not only to teach, but to figure out how to motivate kids to want to learn is passing on responsibilities rightly belonging to family and their community.

So I don't think this segregation during student's "free time" is a good idea. It will just cause more resentment in most students, who are already balls of conflicting fears and emotions as it is.

It is only bullying if it is consistent, personal and negative.
 
Totally disagree. Not everyone has the same ability to learn. Just like not everyone will grow as much,or be the perfect weight. Should we segregate the kids based on height or weight? Should we shame the kid who has a 100 IQ?

Over 90% of the population has an IQ around 100...
 
Students segregated at lunch based on grades, attendance

Interesting. I'm of two minds about this. On one hand I am pretty sure that this will not work for all students. It's essentially an "embarrass" them into submission type of program, which quite frankly never worked for me personally. On the other hand it probably would work for other students. I've never been fond of "one size fits all" type of mantra which this essentially is. I would prefer a more diverse education program.

I'm not of the mindset that people who are already having trouble should be made to suffer more than they already are.

"The flogging will continue until morale improves," just doesn't seem like the best strategy.
 
This concept sounds incredibly short sighted. Much of what is being done is kids that come from supportive homes are being segregated from those coming from less supportive homes. Nothing like kicking someone when they are already down. Wonder who thought this one up?
 
This concept sounds incredibly short sighted. Much of what is being done is kids that come from supportive homes are being segregated from those coming from less supportive homes. Nothing like kicking someone when they are already down. Wonder who thought this one up?

We have a rule not allowed to eat in class... hurts kids from poor families. Often these kids have no breakfast or breakfast is a small bag of potato chips and an energy drink. I said kids can eat in class if it is healthy. Surprising how many buy an apple instead of chips. Instead of kids trying to sneak chips kids are openly asking if they can eat fruit or their sandwich.
 
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