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Classroom disruptions

You shouldn't keep children in the basement.

True, they might escape. I'll keep them in a cage instead. What are the size regulations for kiddie cages?
 
True, they might escape. I'll keep them in a cage instead. What are the size regulations for kiddie cages?

Do you think it is funny to mock the children that are kept in cages... locked in basements... beaten...
 
Do you think it is funny to mock the children that are kept in cages... locked in basements... beaten...

Of course not. When I beat children, I do so with respect.
 
I have had to call upon due process, other family members have had to call upon due process, my family friends have had to call upon due process, and the people we serve often have to themselves assert due process.

Yes, I have been. Have you?

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No, I have not but my wife is a highly experienced teacher.
 
It is worse here. We had two girls punching each other. One was clearly winning and the losing one was mostly covering up trying to get away... A female teacher tried separating them and got in a headlock from the aggressive girl. A male teacher tried separating them by getting between them and the girl kicked him in the balls. Absolutely true. The girl's mom is also on our school board. Mom found out and called the police on the male teacher. He was not charged after a week long investigation but not only are we not allowed to touch students we are not allowed to break up a fight to protect someone getting beaten up.


This week a British male teacher was censured - narrowly avoiding dismissal - for forcibly preventing a child from jumping out of a classroom window.

Here in Sweden discipline has broken down in schools with a significant minority - or majority - of immigrant pupils. In the city of Örebro these have been spread evenly throughout all the schools, with the result that they are uniformly bad.
 
Thats wonderful.

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Which is more than I can say for your comment. It is 'that's', not 'thats'. Can we really be sure that you are a distinguished educationalist (though lacking any classroom experience), with a right to pontificate all over this thread?
 
Which is more than I can say for your comment. It is 'that's', not 'thats'. Can we really be sure that you are a distinguished educationalist (though lacking any classroom experience), with a right to pontificate all over this thread?

Do you have anything constructive to add or are you engaging in useless banter in order to avoid accepting that you don't know what you are talking about?

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My oldest son is a principal at an urban inner city elementary school. One class has been "evacuated" 36 times since the beginning of school. The student causing all the trouble lives with grandma and hits, bites, curses, spits on, and generally trashes the classroom. He does this to other students and adults. He has a med script, but seldom takes it. The disruptive student has a 504 plan, has had a "Manifestation" hearing and cannot be expelled for his behavior. According to policy, adults may not physically touch students; they are trained in "blocking techniques" instead. How the day generally goes is as follows; also following the "plan".

When student shows signs of becoming disruptive, the teacher and aide will try to calm him down while keeping him in class. This usually involves 20-50 minutes of trying to work with him.

If he starts to escalate, the classroom is evacuated (students go to cafeteria) and an administrator takes over.

The administrator tries to coax the student into the "Recovery" room. This usually takes another 20-30 minutes.

Once the disruptive student is in the Recovery room the students may return to class, and clean it up I assume, since it's usually trashed. (Displays torn off walls, chairs and books thrown around, computers turned over, etc.,)

And now it gets better; if the disruptive student calms down finally in the Recovery room, after a time he must be sent back to class, since he has a right to an education.

Where the scenario might repeat itself again the same day....

The teacher in that class told my son she has fallen way behind teaching the rest of the students because of the disruptive student.

What do you do; that's legal? Keep in mind that grandma pretty much has to agree with whatever is done.

(BTW: I tried to add a poll but I wasn't fast enough to meet the 5 minute limit)

God, and I had problems getting teachers to respect my 504 when I injured my hands... (Still did all the work, mind you.)

Anyway, I agree with Josie essentially. There are atypical students who can mainstream fairly well, but this level of disruption is unfair to the other students who will then go into the next grade year set up for failure.
 
God, and I had problems getting teachers to respect my 504 when I injured my hands... (Still did all the work, mind you.)

Anyway, I agree with Josie essentially. There are atypical students who can mainstream fairly well, but this level of disruption is unfair to the other students who will then go into the next grade year set up for failure.

You are missing the real issue... politics.

Can't upset the one even if it negatively affects the many.
 
There were a couple schools locally (Norfolk) where the kids used to rule the school. It was a badge of honor for the hooligans to take down a class, and the rest of the classroom would egg it on.

It is a pretty sad state of affairs when you have to have cops on site for a class to come to order.
 
You are missing the real issue... politics.

Can't upset the one even if it negatively affects the many.

That's why I don't get why students get treated so differently dependent on issue.

I asked for accommodation to help me keep doing the mountain of stuff I was doing (classes obviously, but also running 2 extracurriculars) while I had a pretty pernicious injury that needed to be left rest, and the whole reason I ultimately needed to get a 504 was because I had a teacher who was belligerant with me about it. And I'm not the only kid that happened to. I've known a number of highly active students who had that exerience.

But this kid stops the entire class from being able to do anything at all, and we have to just keep going with the status quo because... reasons?

Why are these two situations so different?
 
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Do you have anything constructive to add or are you engaging in useless banter in order to avoid accepting that you don't know what you are talking about?

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I am not the one putting myself forward as an infallible authority. Or blaming the head teacher who's predicament is the subject of this thread. I expect that he is at least as knowledgeable on this issue as you. And we know that he has the practical experience that you lack.

I submit that challenging your views is far from useless.
 
That's why I don't get why students get treated so differently dependent on issue.

I asked for accommodation to help me keep doing the mountain of stuff I was doing (classes obviously, but also running 2 extracurriculars) while I had a pretty pernicious injury that needed to be left rest, and the whole reason I ultimately needed to get a 504 was because I had a teacher who was belligerant with me about it. And I'm not the only kid that happened to. I've known a number of highly active students who had that exerience.

But this kid stops the entire class from being able to do anything at all, and we have to just keep going with the status quo because... reasons?

Why are these two situations so different?

The worse the kid the more chances they get... in my experience. If they have a mental or emotional and verifiable diagnosis. Their parents demand mainstream.

The worst are those not verifiable. Every year when i teach Freshman classes I expect the entire First Term to be spent dealing with the screwed up ones. Behaviour issues non.stop every lesson all lesson. Warnings for.... Arguments. Defiance. Bullying. Attention seeking behaviour. Texting and playing loud music. Refusal to turn off phone or hand it over. Leaving class without permission and re.entering loudly disrupting the entire class. Swearing. Etc. Kids that refuse to be sent from class even when you go get a Dean or Principal. it goes on and on and...

Takes a while to compile enough evidence but finally we can kick them out for good.
 
Yes, it does sound like this student needs to be in a special ed classroom. Doesn't every state have special ed? I know two special teachers and they are trained/adept at handling any kind of student disruption you could possibly imagine.
 
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