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Classroom disruptions

That's not funny, mate.

It wasnt meant to be. My fiancee is a special ed teacher and many of these kids are violent and dangerous. The administration a lot of times will not do anything about it, the school gets a lot of extra money for a "special" kid and they will allow pretty much anything to happen to keep that money rolling in.
 
I call bullshyt. It's a tired old story trying to blame it on the teachers. They are a good group. Several years ago his current teacher was picked teacher of the month in the district. They have done all the evals, plans, etc,. The "plan" takes a lot of TIME, which should be being spent teaching the other students.

The point of this entire thread is how much TIME should a teacher and the class be expected to lose due to the behaviors of a few? At what point is all this effort and TIME being afforded ONE student a detriment to the learning of the many good students?

No offense but this is not a disruptive student... this is a nightmare that has no business in mainstream.
 
It wasnt meant to be. My fiancee is a special ed teacher and many of these kids are violent and dangerous. The administration a lot of times will not do anything about it, the school gets a lot of extra money for a "special" kid and they will allow pretty much anything to happen to keep that money rolling in.

I thought it was funny...
 
Don't you just long for the good ol' days, when a wooden ruler to the back of the head solved everything?

Obviously no idea where severe behaviours come from or how to solve the issue...
 
My oldest son is a principal at an urban inner city elementary school. One class has been "evacuated" 36 times since the beginning of school. The student causing all the trouble lives with grandma and hits, bites, curses, spits on, and generally trashes the classroom. He does this to other students and adults. He has a med script, but seldom takes it. The disruptive student has a 504 plan, has had a "Manifestation" hearing and cannot be expelled for his behavior. According to policy, adults may not physically touch students; they are trained in "blocking techniques" instead. How the day generally goes is as follows; also following the "plan".

When student shows signs of becoming disruptive, the teacher and aide will try to calm him down while keeping him in class. This usually involves 20-50 minutes of trying to work with him.

If he starts to escalate, the classroom is evacuated (students go to cafeteria) and an administrator takes over.

The administrator tries to coax the student into the "Recovery" room. This usually takes another 20-30 minutes.

Once the disruptive student is in the Recovery room the students may return to class, and clean it up I assume, since it's usually trashed. (Displays torn off walls, chairs and books thrown around, computers turned over, etc.,)

And now it gets better; if the disruptive student calms down finally in the Recovery room, after a time he must be sent back to class, since he has a right to an education.

Where the scenario might repeat itself again the same day....

The teacher in that class told my son she has fallen way behind teaching the rest of the students because of the disruptive student.

What do you do; that's legal? Keep in mind that grandma pretty much has to agree with whatever is done.

(BTW: I tried to add a poll but I wasn't fast enough to meet the 5 minute limit)


He shouldn't be in that school to begin with. He needs to go to a school that specializes in behavior and or mental problems. There is obviously something wrong with this student and he needs help. What he doesn't need is to be in a school that isn't meant to handle special needs.
 
In my school district, the student would be sent to the BD (behaviorally disabled) classroom, where he would be instructed in his studies by the BD teacher who had a handful of kids in there -- all close to the same way.

The other students, however, should not be subjected to this student's misbehavior, day in and day out. It's traumatic for them and lessens their learning environment.
 
I call bullshyt. It's a tired old story trying to blame it on the teachers. They are a good group. Several years ago his current teacher was picked teacher of the month in the district. They have done all the evals, plans, etc,. The "plan" takes a lot of TIME, which should be being spent teaching the other students.

The point of this entire thread is how much TIME should a teacher and the class be expected to lose due to the behaviors of a few? At what point is all this effort and TIME being afforded ONE student a detriment to the learning of the many good students?

I agree, and as I previously mentioned, the kid could go to a "special" classroom.

If that can't be arranged, i.e., if there is no place for behaviorally disabled kids, your son needs to see about hiring a "para," (paraprofessional), to assist in the teacher's classroom and be in charge of the student, as well as assisting the teacher in other areas. At the first sign of trouble, the para needs to escort the student to his time-out room, but, with the para in the room, perhaps some of the outbursts can be avoided.

The school nurse needs to take over administering the boy's meds each morning and the grandmother needs to work with the school or be reported to child protective services. Your son needs to get tough with her.

That said, the teacher in the classroom could be playing a role in the problem. I'm not saying she is, but I've seen it. I've seen teachers who aren't prepared to deal with the tough students who inadvertently set the stage for explosions like this kid's. It's been 20 years since I worked in the school system, but this is very much like a situation we had with a boy (Rob) who would act-out much like the boy you're describing. In this case, the teacher was decent, she'd come to us after having won Teacher of the Year in a Colorado school, but she was unprepared for Rob. She would either fail to engage him in class discussions (she was trying to ignore him), which frustrated him and often triggered his outbursts, or she punished other kids too harshly in an attempt to demonstrate to Rob that punishment was the result of bad behavior. She was afraid to punish Rob. I monitored the classroom more days than I can remember and watched the cycle repeat itself. Although we put a para in the class, which helped immensely, we finally moved Rob to a classroom with a male teacher, who was also the coach of the high school BB team. He was able to respond immediately to Rob's outbursts -- directly -- and that turned out to be the best course of action.

Rob was still a problem throughout his Middle School years and he ended up dropping out at 16. The story has a good ending, however. Rob married a young lady whose father funding Rob's dream of being a barber. Rob's owned his own barber shop for a decade now and has a couple of employees and a great reputation in town. He has a young son and I see Rob, his wife and son at many community events. I was sure when Rob was in 6th grade that he was going to end up in prison one day, but he didn't. He's a good husband, father and business owner.

I hope there's a good ending for the student giving your son a headache as well.
 
Obviously no idea where severe behaviours come from or how to solve the issue...

Damn, you people are so uptight. Learn to laugh a little.
 
My oldest son is a principal at an urban inner city elementary school. One class has been "evacuated" 36 times since the beginning of school. The student causing all the trouble lives with grandma and hits, bites, curses, spits on, and generally trashes the classroom. He does this to other students and adults. He has a med script, but seldom takes it. The disruptive student has a 504 plan, has had a "Manifestation" hearing and cannot be expelled for his behavior. According to policy, adults may not physically touch students; they are trained in "blocking techniques" instead. How the day generally goes is as follows; also following the "plan".

When student shows signs of becoming disruptive, the teacher and aide will try to calm him down while keeping him in class. This usually involves 20-50 minutes of trying to work with him.

If he starts to escalate, the classroom is evacuated (students go to cafeteria) and an administrator takes over.

The administrator tries to coax the student into the "Recovery" room. This usually takes another 20-30 minutes.

Once the disruptive student is in the Recovery room the students may return to class, and clean it up I assume, since it's usually trashed. (Displays torn off walls, chairs and books thrown around, computers turned over, etc.,)

And now it gets better; if the disruptive student calms down finally in the Recovery room, after a time he must be sent back to class, since he has a right to an education.

Where the scenario might repeat itself again the same day....

The teacher in that class told my son she has fallen way behind teaching the rest of the students because of the disruptive student.

What do you do; that's legal? Keep in mind that grandma pretty much has to agree with whatever is done.

(BTW: I tried to add a poll but I wasn't fast enough to meet the 5 minute limit)

You need to communicate with the other parents. They not be aware or they may be at a loss like you. My son had a similar situation when he was in kindergarten. Kid would loss his **** throw chairs, hit kids with blocks, etc. The teacher started taking the students out of the class while we was tantruming. The parents contacted the teacher, which did nothing. Then we reached out to the principal which instructed the teacher to remove the problem student from the class not everyone else. Then we finally had to set up a meeting with the super. They tried to keep him mainstream within a 1 on 1 which was a failure so now he's in an emotional support class. You need to be diligent communicating with the teacher. If she's unresponsive move right up the line until you get an appropriate response.
 
Eh, no. Normally this belief is fostered from a lack of imagination and information on the part of school staff. Firstly, if the child has a 504 plan and there is a manifest determination, then that means this is as a result of a disability, which then basically puts the onus on the team to figure out next steps, because, you know...FAPE.

First, get a functional behavioral assessment from a school psychologist. They can then draft a behavior plan that could mitigate the factors that contribute to the behaviors.
Second, if a child's behavior is impacting their education (which this certainly may be), they can be considered for eligibility for special education. Eval time...and again, if/when you do said evaluation, check to see in all areas of suspected disability. Don't skimp out on the evals.

When in doubt: look to getting more information, consider additional resources and services.

Well, yeah, of course. The team should be coming up with a plan to help this child. He needs to learn --- and so do the other kids. His learning is going to be different since he clearly has some other mental concerns. It's not "lack of imagination" to believe that kids who are constantly disrupting the classroom should be removed so that everyone can learn - it's common sense. A general education teacher doesn't have the training to deal with 25 kids with their own little issues - academic, emotional and behavioral - along with a child with MASSIVE issues like this little guy. A classroom should be a place where ALL can learn and these disruptions aren't allowing that to happen. Removing the child from the class isn't a negative for that child at all. It sounds to me like he NEEDS it. It's helping no one in this situation keeping him in a general education class.
 
No offense but this is not a disruptive student... this is a nightmare that has no business in mainstream.

Agreed. Although I wouldn't use the word "nightmare". He's a child who needs extensive help -- and he's not going to get it when he's one out of 24 or 29.
 
He's not having a seizure; it's strictly a behavioral problem. Apparently (my best guess) the disruptive student is bi-polar. Starts off OK, gets irritated, finally goes off. The trigger could be he wants something he can't have right that minute. Tantrum on the way!! The teachers have been trained on how to handle him, and they do their best. In this case grandma only shows up if there is a meeting in which he (her grandson) might be sent home. No way does she want him at home. She has told my son it's his problem.

Multiply this out and you have an idea what school is like for many kids. My son says there are lots of good kids in the school, but the disruptive ones get all the attention, most of the resources, and really do inhibit the teaching/learning process for everybody.

I asked my son why the good parents haven't complained. He said they probably have no real idea; it isn't like the disruptions are mentioned it in the newsletter. A handful of the parents might have some idea, but they probably have no idea how extremely disruptive those few students are.

You'll note that I out the word seizure in quotation marks as we don't know what his condition is.
 
Many schools have a program where kids spend the majority if not all of their day with a special ed teacher and earn time in regular classes. If this school doesn't offer a program to help him, then he should be in a school that can accommodate his needs.
 
My oldest son is a principal at an urban inner city elementary school. One class has been "evacuated" 36 times since the beginning of school. The student causing all the trouble lives with grandma and hits, bites, curses, spits on, and generally trashes the classroom. He does this to other students and adults. He has a med script, but seldom takes it. The disruptive student has a 504 plan, has had a "Manifestation" hearing and cannot be expelled for his behavior. According to policy, adults may not physically touch students; they are trained in "blocking techniques" instead. How the day generally goes is as follows; also following the "plan".

When student shows signs of becoming disruptive, the teacher and aide will try to calm him down while keeping him in class. This usually involves 20-50 minutes of trying to work with him.

If he starts to escalate, the classroom is evacuated (students go to cafeteria) and an administrator takes over.

The administrator tries to coax the student into the "Recovery" room. This usually takes another 20-30 minutes.

Once the disruptive student is in the Recovery room the students may return to class, and clean it up I assume, since it's usually trashed. (Displays torn off walls, chairs and books thrown around, computers turned over, etc.,)

And now it gets better; if the disruptive student calms down finally in the Recovery room, after a time he must be sent back to class, since he has a right to an education.

Where the scenario might repeat itself again the same day....

The teacher in that class told my son she has fallen way behind teaching the rest of the students because of the disruptive student.

What do you do; that's legal? Keep in mind that grandma pretty much has to agree with whatever is done.

(BTW: I tried to add a poll but I wasn't fast enough to meet the 5 minute limit)

This is what's wrong with the education system.
 
You need to communicate with the other parents. They not be aware or they may be at a loss like you. My son had a similar situation when he was in kindergarten. Kid would loss his **** throw chairs, hit kids with blocks, etc. The teacher started taking the students out of the class while we was tantruming. The parents contacted the teacher, which did nothing. Then we reached out to the principal which instructed the teacher to remove the problem student from the class not everyone else. Then we finally had to set up a meeting with the super. They tried to keep him mainstream within a 1 on 1 which was a failure so now he's in an emotional support class. You need to be diligent communicating with the teacher. If she's unresponsive move right up the line until you get an appropriate response.

You will have read that the school staff is expressly forbidden to touch a pupil, so just how can the 'problem student' be removed from the class?
 
In my experience the "disruptive student" thing is a dog whistle calling for the elimination of students of color, who tend to be scapegoated when parents' precious white snowflakes aren't getting all the As they think their whiteness entitles them to.
 
In my experience the "disruptive student" thing is a dog whistle calling for the elimination of students of color, who tend to be scapegoated when parents' precious white snowflakes aren't getting all the As they think their whiteness entitles them to.

That's great, AA. Nobody cares.
 
It wasnt meant to be. My fiancee is a special ed teacher and many of these kids are violent and dangerous. The administration a lot of times will not do anything about it, the school gets a lot of extra money for a "special" kid and they will allow pretty much anything to happen to keep that money rolling in.
Then let me clarify: your view of how to treat children is barbaric.

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Well, yeah, of course. The team should be coming up with a plan to help this child. He needs to learn --- and so do the other kids. His learning is going to be different since he clearly has some other mental concerns. It's not "lack of imagination" to believe that kids who are constantly disrupting the classroom should be removed so that everyone can learn - it's common sense. A general education teacher doesn't have the training to deal with 25 kids with their own little issues - academic, emotional and behavioral - along with a child with MASSIVE issues like this little guy. A classroom should be a place where ALL can learn and these disruptions aren't allowing that to happen. Removing the child from the class isn't a negative for that child at all. It sounds to me like he NEEDS it. It's helping no one in this situation keeping him in a general education class.

Common sense isn't all that common, virtuous, or correct.

Now, considering the staff likely have not done an FBA to determine why the student behaves this way, nor have likely created a plan to address it, or necessarily sought to determine if the student is qualified for special education, they would have little reason to conclude that the student must be removed from the general classroom in favor of a more restrictive setting as their standard placement.

The school has a three pronged test to prove they have done their due diligence in this matter. If they can't pass the test in the court of law, then, no, they haven't justified their conclusion.

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You need to communicate with the other parents. They not be aware or they may be at a loss like you. My son had a similar situation when he was in kindergarten. Kid would loss his **** throw chairs, hit kids with blocks, etc. The teacher started taking the students out of the class while we was tantruming. The parents contacted the teacher, which did nothing. Then we reached out to the principal which instructed the teacher to remove the problem student from the class not everyone else. Then we finally had to set up a meeting with the super. They tried to keep him mainstream within a 1 on 1 which was a failure so now he's in an emotional support class. You need to be diligent communicating with the teacher. If she's unresponsive move right up the line until you get an appropriate response.
If they followed that advice, that won't be pretty with the authorities.....

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You did just create a thread asking for advice, did you not? Much of this is what I do for a living, guy. Now, are you going to be whiny, or are you going to be serious?



Well, look at it this way. The 504 team and an IEP team are stacked with people with their own individual agendas, none of which are necessarily innocent or guilty. However, that leaves no one sacrosanct. However, your son is perhaps merely exasperated and genuinely interested in finding a solution. Maybe he's misguided here or there, but would be able to learn and gladly receive the help of others in his state.



It does not seem like they have done all of the plans yet. And again, the entire point of this is to keep searching. It doesn't stop. Whether or not a teacher is picked up as the teacher of the month is irrelevant to what may be required for a student. The plan does take time, but that's what they are expected to do and what the student and their family has the legal right to receive.



Again, I thought the point of the thread was getting advice. However, if you must know, there's a lovely book that can sort a lot of that out. https://www.amazon.com/Law-Special-Education-3rd/dp/0131376098

Now, if you want to spend your time bitching about kids with disabilities getting an education, I may entertain you for a while.

Do you ever run into situations though where nothing can be done to accommodate a kid in a classroom. For example, anti-social personality disorder sets in at an early age (usually by age 5), and there is nothing you can really do to treat it.
 
You will have read that the school staff is expressly forbidden to touch a pupil, so just how can the 'problem student' be removed from the class?

In our case, the teachers circled the door and slowly tightened the circle until he was out. Other time his mother was called to physically come in and remove him.
 
If they followed that advice, that won't be pretty with the authorities.....

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Which authorities? We followed the exact process as as described in our Parent Handbook. Students are not to be removed from a classroom due to a disruptive child. The child must be removed as to not disrupt the class dynamics.
 
Which authorities? We followed the exact process as as described in our Parent Handbook. Students are not to be removed from a classroom due to a disruptive child. The child must be removed as to not disrupt the class dynamics.
Outsiders are not allowed to dictate the educational setting of a kid with a disability.

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