What's wrong with white teachers?

jimbo said:

Or black teachers identifying with black students.

Author completely ignores black teachers teaching white students.

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Not true. He states, at one point, that black teachers may be better for white kids too.

Black teachers on average are better for black students (and in some cases for white students too) and white teachers on average are worse for black students.

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calamity said:

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say the article is more about the benefits of providing black kids with a few black role models than trying to say white teachers are somehow inferior.

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Did you read the article? Or is today your day for wild guesses?

Lutherf said:

Not true. He states, at one point, that black teachers may be better for white kids too.

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You are corect.

And that part is opinion. "May" is not a definitive word.

jimbo said:

That makes no sense. If the theory holds, then we should never have integrated the schools.

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If black teachers were proportionate to the population, there wouldn't be a problem. A lack of realized integration is the problem.

WCH said:

Is it because Whites don't pronounce Black names correctly? 8)

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Lutherf said:

If you read the article, even half of it, you'd know that the author isn't the slightest bit racist....it's just everyone else who isn't black that's racist.

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That's not a fair criticism, IMO. Part of his argument is that the disparity could be explained by racist attitudes in white teachers that manifest as lower expectations for black students. IMO, that's not nearly as ridiculous as you suggest.

Lutherf said:

Not true. He states, at one point, that black teachers may be better for white kids too.

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If some studies measured better outcomes for white students taught by black teachers, he'd be justified in that without adhering to your criticism.

jimbo said:

Did you read the article? Or is today your day for wild guesses?

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I'll take wild guesses for $200, Alex.

justabubba said:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/5be7eb...34/what’s-wrong-with-white.html?.tsrc=fauxdal

the author opines that white teachers are inferior to black teachers because they are white

do you agree?

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No I don't. If this could be reproduced universally across the world where mixed populations exist then I would agree. Now as to the comment about black role models - yes I feel they can have an impact but they do not necessarily have to be teachers. These people can be brought in alongside white role models, Chinese role models etc.

ttwtt78640 said:

The only point presented in the OP link that I did agree with was the (subtle?) racism, mainly by white teachers, of having lower expectations for black students. If the teacher gives up on any student then that lack of an extra push in the right direction can have lasting consequences.

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That would be a problem.

ecofarm said:

It's because black kids lack black teacher role models, whites do not. To claim white kids need more white teachers would be racist because there is no reason.

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Almost. The problem was that Dr. Perry poked down two rabbit holes that were not about that.

Alright, I agree with points many raised that objected to Dr. Perry's statements.

However, I think this is pretty obvious.

Absentglare said:

That's not a fair criticism, IMO. Part of his argument is that the disparity could be explained by racist attitudes in white teachers that manifest as lower expectations for black students. IMO, that's not nearly as ridiculous as you suggest.

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Black teachers are more likely to place high-achieving black students in programs for gifted students. Black teachers suspend and expel black students at lower rates. Singling out recruitment recuses our responsibilities to address the racism that afflicts white teachers and creates conditions that push black teachers out of the profession at an alarming rate. Trying to convince more black teachers to enter a professionthey’re likely to abandon after a couple years is not even half a solution.

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I can tell you that this is a major problem with other minority populations that are students. An issue is that it is so obvious to minorities that a lot of majority teachers are likewise so convinced in its non-existence.

If you've ever seen the school-to-prison pipeline at work, it's usually because of attitudinal problems with staff and administration. I've seen plenty of kids where schools just don't want to work with and want to put them in the justice system or other more restrictive settings, despite the child never having committed a crime. The kid could be doing okay in school or display substantial improvement in a year or two since they got to know them. They just don't like the kid or the kids' parents and the kid's worst offense is being semi-aloof or weird. On top of that, in my state, we started doing tracking and we found out that the major reason for our overpopulation at juvie centers were inappropriate school referrals to the system. We had a 26% growth in one subsection of the kid population in 4 years. They now make up 3/4 of the Juvi population. The main referral? The schools. The correctional facilities are getting beyond pissed at the, frankly, laziness and vindictiveness of teachers and administrators.

Fiddytree said:

Almost. The problem was that Dr. Perry poked down two rabbit holes that were not about that.

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If people could grasp the basic idea, perhaps a discussion on nuance could be had. As it is, most people are too busy "defending whites" to even grasp the basic idea.