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Teacher, 70, Forced to Retire After Displaying Confederate Flag During Civil War Less

Re: Teacher, 70, Forced to Retire After Displaying Confederate Flag During Civil War

No.

But then again, I was a US Marine. We don't lose.

"Iwo Jima was the only Marine battle where the American casualties, 26,000, exceeded the Japanese -- most of the 22,000 defending the island."
Iwo Jima: A Remembrance

Except to the same enemy a few years earlier, right?
 
Re: Teacher, 70, Forced to Retire After Displaying Confederate Flag During Civil War

There is no educational reason to display any flag. Pictures in books get the information across just as well, and a picture in a book is hardly likely to be mistaken for a show of support.

Also, what would the CSA flag display defenders think if a Nazi flag was displayed during a WW2 lesson? And do we need to burn crosses on school property to get the educational message across about the KKK?
 
Re: Teacher, 70, Forced to Retire After Displaying Confederate Flag During Civil War

Except to the same enemy a few years earlier, right?
What are you talking about? The Marines never lost to the Japanese. Pearly Harbor was BTW plane versus ship with no ground forces facing off.

Also, it is not true in modern war that the offence always takes more casualties. Over in Europe 1939-1941 the Germans repeatedly inflicted several times more casualties on their opponents. This was especially true in the 1941 Eastern Front.
 
Re: Teacher, 70, Forced to Retire After Displaying Confederate Flag During Civil War

What are you talking about? The Marines never lost to the Japanese. Pearly Harbor was BTW plane versus ship with no ground forces facing off.

Also, it is not true in modern war that the offence always takes more casualties. Over in Europe 1939-1941 the Germans repeatedly inflicted several times more casualties on their opponents. This was especially true in the 1941 Eastern Front.

Wake Island and the Phillippines, round one, don't count in your book? Because from where I'm sitting, both of those look an awful lot like defeats.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Wake_Island
 
Re: Teacher, 70, Forced to Retire After Displaying Confederate Flag During Civil War

Wake Island and the Phillippines, round one, don't count in your book? Because from where I'm sitting, both of those look an awful lot like defeats.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Wake_Island
I overlooked WI. However, the first Japanese assault was bloodily repulsed, and the USMC in inflicted much greater loss than it suffered.

I do not think any USMC units were involved in the 1941-42 PI campaign.

Thereafter Japanese ground forces were meatgrindered by the US Army and USMC. Aside from Savo Island and Tassafaronga I do not think the IJN won any notable naval battles either.
 
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Re: Teacher, 70, Forced to Retire After Displaying Confederate Flag During Civil War

I overlooked WI. However, the first Japanese assault was bloodily repulsed, and the USMC in inflicted much greater loss than it suffered.

I do not think any USMC units were involved in the 1941-42 PI campaign.

Thereafter Japanese ground forces were meatgrindered by the US Army and USMC. Aside from Savoy Island and Rastafarian I do not think the IJN won any notable naval battles either.


There were a ton of US Marines in the Phillppines in 1941.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippines_Campaign_(1941–42)#United_States_Marine_Corps

As for Wake, the island fell and wasn't retaken until the tail end of the war.
 
Re: Teacher, 70, Forced to Retire After Displaying Confederate Flag During Civil War

There were a ton of US Marines in the Phillppines in 1941.

OK I'll give you that too.

As for Wake, the island fell and wasn't retaken until the tail end of the war.
I know. But Japan paid for it with casualties of 15-1 killed in action.



Now, how about those other comparative casualty rates?

Some one with a username like yours should have known that during 1941 Barbarossa there were about 4 Soviet casualties for each German.

Ratios were also favorable for the Germans against:

Poland
Norway-Denmark
France-Netherlands-Belgium-BEF
Yugoslavia
and Greece (even including the Crete campaign).

The only other major German operations through 1941 were, I think:

The Battle of Britain, where ratios were surely unfavorable for the Germans.

Operation Rhineubung, where loss of Bismarck was far worse than the UK's loss of the much older Hood.

The submarine campaign, where the military casualties probably favored the Germans, and where casualties to civilian merchant marine crew, who were performing vital strategic duty, were very heavy.

And North Africa, where casualties were probably no worse than 50-50.

So: The German overall 1939-1941 case and the USMC overall 1941-1945 case falsify your comment that the offensive almost always takes more casualties. In fact, the 1939-1941 Germans and the 1941-1945 USMC offenses rarely took more casualties.

You should bring this to the attention of those who taught you otherwise.
 
Re: Teacher, 70, Forced to Retire After Displaying Confederate Flag During Civil War

It's California.

My state never used to be like this, and millions of people who live here are just as sensible as people in the rest of the country. A few million degenerates, alien scofflaws, and collectivist halfwits has insinuated itself into the Golden State and given it a bad name. I regret the general decline I have seen here since the 1970's.
 
Re: Teacher, 70, Forced to Retire After Displaying Confederate Flag During Civil War

There is no educational reason to display any flag. Pictures in books get the information across just as well, and a picture in a book is hardly likely to be mistaken for a show of support.

Also, what would the CSA flag display defenders think if a Nazi flag was displayed during a WW2 lesson? And do we need to burn crosses on school property to get the educational message across about the KKK?

Agree, it should've been just limited to neutral textbooks and documentaries to simply inform the students what the flag looked like. It's not like the teacher staged a gettysburg reenactment in which case, for historical accuracy the southern forces should be carrying the flag. Or a mock UN debate with every flag on display to make it seem more authentic

In simply a lesson about the civil war, i see no reason to bring in a real flag as if it's cool that the south rebelled to keep its slaves
 
Re: Teacher, 70, Forced to Retire After Displaying Confederate Flag During Civil War

Political correctness is evil and needs to stop.

Period.
 
Re: Teacher, 70, Forced to Retire After Displaying Confederate Flag During Civil War

OK I'll give you that too.


I know. But Japan paid for it with casualties of 15-1 killed in action.



Now, how about those other comparative casualty rates?

Some one with a username like yours should have known that during 1941 Barbarossa there were about 4 Soviet casualties for each German.

Ratios were also favorable for the Germans against:

Poland
Norway-Denmark
France-Netherlands-Belgium-BEF
Yugoslavia
and Greece (even including the Crete campaign).

The only other major German operations through 1941 were, I think:

The Battle of Britain, where ratios were surely unfavorable for the Germans.

Operation Rhineubung, where loss of Bismarck was far worse than the UK's loss of the much older Hood.

The submarine campaign, where the military casualties probably favored the Germans, and where casualties to civilian merchant marine crew, who were performing vital strategic duty, were very heavy.

And North Africa, where casualties were probably no worse than 50-50.

So: The German overall 1939-1941 case and the USMC overall 1941-1945 case falsify your comment that the offensive almost always takes more casualties. In fact, the 1939-1941 Germans and the 1941-1945 USMC offenses rarely took more casualties.

You should bring this to the attention of those who taught you otherwise.

But the Japanese still won the day.

Yes, there were--- but that was more due to Soviet deficiencies in C and C than anything else. Stalin's purges gutted the Red Army. Once it managed to get its feet back under it everybody saw what happened; the Germans were forced back again and again despite winning battles here and there.

The Pacific Theatre stats are deceptive since the Japanese often fought till the last man(not meant in a literal sense in this case, but rather than the Japanese continued fighting until their losses were so great they had no other choice but to give up).

The RAF was getting mauled until Hitler switched to city bombing, thanks to a series of fortunate escalations.

At Crete the Fallschirmjaegers were so badly mauled that even after the victory Hitler refused to utilize them in such a matter en masse again.
 
Re: Teacher, 70, Forced to Retire After Displaying Confederate Flag During Civil War

Political correctness is evil and needs to stop.

Period.
Why do you hate it being frowned upon for people to use racial slurs?
 
Re: Teacher, 70, Forced to Retire After Displaying Confederate Flag During Civil War

But the Japanese still won the day.
No they did not win the day. The rarely won on any day of the 1942-1945 US Pacific theater offensives


Yes, there were--- but that was more due to Soviet deficiencies in C and C than anything else. Stalin's purges gutted the Red Army. Once it managed to get its feet back under it everybody saw what happened; the Germans were forced back again and again despite winning battles here and there.
Irrelevant. You said, without qualification, that the offensive almost always takes more casualties, and you were wrong.



The Pacific Theatre stats are deceptive since the Japanese often fought till the last man(not meant in a literal sense in this case, but rather than the Japanese continued fighting until their losses were so great they had no other choice but to give up).
Most Japanese actually did fight until killed, but loss ratios so heavily favored the US that even if half the Japanese KIA had surrendered Japanese KIA would still have exceeded US KIA. I am not going to go through each major campaign, but per Wiki such was the case at Tarawa, the Philippines 1944-45 and Okinawa. Also, the Japanese carried out one of their rare evacuations at the end of Guadalcanal, where they sustained over 2.5-1 worse KIA.


The RAF was getting mauled until Hitler switched to city bombing, thanks to a series of fortunate escalations.
Why are you discussing this? I gave it to you as one of only two cases (out of 9) where you were correct.


At Crete the Fallschirmjaegers were so badly mauled that even after the victory Hitler refused to utilize them in such a matter en masse again.
Yes, but the UK had more KIA than Germany even at Crete.
 
Re: Teacher, 70, Forced to Retire After Displaying Confederate Flag During Civil War

Why do you hate it being frowned upon for people to use racial slurs?
Here I am on Mr Tiger's side:

Display of the CSA flag IS a racial slur, and I am glad to see that its public display has been almost completely eradicated.

Let us cast this symbol of darkness back into the pit of darkness where it was born, and away from all of life's great wealth of light.

And BTW I am from Bedford VA, and I had ancestors go to war in favor of disunion. A CSA cavalry bugle survives in family possession. It makes the most godawful unbearable noise you could ever listen to.
 
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