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    Re: Professors' Abandonment of Free Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Xelor View Post

    That truly sucks. You have my empathy.

    I've had that happen when I pasted a multi-post critical review essay I'd written in response to another member's having cited a quasi-scholarly text's ideas as a rebuttal to one of my remarks. I'd read the book, "brushed up" on the specific topic in general and then written my essay, putting hyperlinks in where necessary. I didn't discover the link loss until after the editing window had passed. Fortunately it was just four links, but still...their not being appropriately hyperlinked makes them less useful than they otherwise would be.



    This issue isn't nearly as simple as freely speaking on a college/university campus. To wit, the distinction between public and private schools makes all the difference in the world. U.C. Berkeley was what it was in the '60s in part because it was (and remains) a public university. That said, here are some documents that perhaps you'll find useful even this late after your thread's creation.

    The documents address various aspects of the free speech issue in a college/university context.
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    Re: Professors' Abandonment of Free Speech

    Trump tells Universities Ė No free speech means no federal grants OK?

    Trump tells Universities Ė No free speech means no federal grants OK?

    Universities depend on Big Government, so itís practically a law of physics that they will evolve into Big-Gov promoters unless some force stops them.
    What is surprising is that most conservative governments let it happen.
    Trump does the obvious but unheard of:

    The Hill: Trump says heíll sign executive order for free speech on college campuses
    by Tal Axelrod
    ďWe reject oppressive speech codes, censorship, political correctness and every other attempt by the hard left to stop people from challenging ridiculous and dangerous ideas. These ideas are dangerous,Ē Trump said. ďInstead we believe in free speech, including online and including on campus.Ē
    ďToday Iím proud to announce that I will be very soon signing an executive order requiring colleges and universities to support free speech if they want federal research grants.Ē
    This came to a head because a conservative activist was viciously punched at Berkley. (See the full appalling attack on youtube). ďHigherĒ education has become Hater education.
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    Re: Professors' Abandonment of Free Speech

    "If itís consensus, it isnít science. If itís science, it isnít consensus. Period." --Michael Crichton

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    Re: Professors' Abandonment of Free Speech

    "If itís consensus, it isnít science. If itís science, it isnít consensus. Period." --Michael Crichton

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    Re: Professors' Abandonment of Free Speech

    As a matter of organizing social life, it usually is a risky business to engage in censorship. The primary reason for this is that it is precisely from the people whose voices we are the likeliest to silence that we have the most to learn, whether about our own views or that of others.

    Many people on campuses act with a degree of certainty that only ignorance or stupidity can confer, not realizing the ease with which we all can manage to fool ourselves into thinking we know more than we really do. Nothing is more evenly shared among human beings than common nonsense and we all like this baloney, as long as it is our baloney. As it routinely is the case that we are wrong, in small or large parts, the prudent thing to do is to pay attention when people give us reasons why we might be wrong. By definition, these reasons are likelier to come from people with whom we disagree and it is rare that we wish to forcefully silent ourselves, or people who say we're right.

    Another reason why it is important to bother having discussions, especially discussions which we might find uncomfortable or challenging, is that even if everyone involved is wrong in some way or another, the effort of justifying oneself to our peer forces us to come to grasp with the limits of our arguments. We have to look for reasons why others should think as we do and, in the process, we have to dig into the logical and practical consequences of our ideas. It also requires that we do more than we each make our own case. It requires that we pay attention to what others are saying so that we can reply to them. Convincing, very often, requires not only that you point out a solution you find either correct or satisfactory, but also that you show others why their solution is incorrect or unsatisfactory.

    Even when arguments are poorly phrased and cases poorly made, you can still learn something because other people are different from you. If necessary, lend them your skills and knowledge: see if you can make an even stronger case than the one they make while still going in the same direction. It is almost impossible that you learn nothing doing this.

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