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The next decade will see unemployment rise significantly

[FONT=&]As with general market sentiment, I don’t need or use the noise of news, government policy or economics to forecast the future of the US unemployment rate over the next decade. Elliott Wave Principles are my guide which I won’t elaborate on due to its applied complexity on unemployment and the amount of research and comprehension needed in order to explain it.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&]The US unemployment rate will reach 6% sometime between November 2020 to February 2022.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]The US unemployment rate will surpass 12% sometime before the year 2026.[/FONT]

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We could solve simple poverty when due merely to unemployment with unemployment compensation that bears true witness to our own general State statute law concerning employment at the will of either party for simply being unemployed in our at-will employment States.

Making it easier for Labor to learn new skills can help fill these jobs: US job openings jump to record high of 7.3 million

Business is welcome to automate whenever it is cost effective.
 
OMG......you make a doom & gloom thread

Doom and gloom is your interpretation, but coming from someone so cynical, I understand why you would interpret it in such a manner. I view it differently.

and don't expect any reactions?

Reactions with insight are fine. Useless, flippant remarks without any insight are not.

What makes you any more reliable as a economic forecaster than the paid professionals?

Huh?

Nothing, but with years of time, my forecasts will stand in record for one to make that judgement, unlike you’re unverifiable “turning a better ratio than most rinky dink investors out there” in property boast.
 
[FONT=&]Doom and gloom is your interpretation, but coming from someone so cynical, I understand why you would interpret it in such a manner. I view it differently.[/FONT]



[FONT=&]Reactions with insight are fine. Useless, flippant remarks without any insight are not.[/FONT]



[FONT=&]Nothing, but with years of time, my forecasts will stand in record for one to make that judgement, unlike you’re unverifiable “turning a better ratio than most rinky dink investors out there” in property boast.[/FONT]

I'm not boasting at all.

I own 3 properties (including my home) that will put about 575K - 625K after broker fees into my pocket when I retire this year. I paid out about 325k for them including the materials and time that that I invested.

So, tell me what percentage of rinky dink stock investors are doing that well over a 8 year investment period?
 
I'm not boasting at all.

If you aren’t willing to verify it for others, you’re boasting.



I own 3 properties (including my home) that will put about 575K - 625K after broker fees into my pocket when I retire this year. I paid out about 325k for them including the materials and time that that I invested.

So, tell me what percentage of rinky dink stock investors are doing that well over a 8 year investment period?

First of all, and just so you know, this statement and question of yours is a textbook example of boasting.


Second, I believe property investment is worthwhile in the long term, so I’m not criticizing it as I believe in investing in property too.


Third, I guess this a metaphorical question since nothing can be verified.


Anyway, I’ll play, but In order to answer the question, I need more clarification.


Will the house you live in be sold too?


Were all houses bought at the same time 8 years ago. When was each bought? Did you inherit any or part of any.


Did you buy any of the houses outright or did you borrow anything? If borrowed, what were your carrying costs?


Did you make any income on them such as rent, etc?


Are you deducting capital gains tax from your profit? How about property tax or whatever other tax you may have in your area over the investment period?


You mentioned, “materials and time” that you invested. Were the houses fixers, remodels or additions made? Did you include maintenance and/or upgrades?


What exactly does your estimate of 575K - 625K entail? After capital gains tax? After all carrying costs, etc?
 
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[FONT=&]Second, I believe property investment is worthwhile in the long term, so I’m not criticizing it as I believe in investing in property too.[/FONT]
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I know you can't handle it, but you know I am right no matter what you are trying to do here.
 
Correlations are worthless if you can't give us a causation. I have no doubt that the economy will turn south at some point in the not too distant future, but unless you can tell us what conditions precede each down turn and what specifically created those conditions then you might as well be telling me I should bet on heads because the last 5 flips of the coin were tails.

i'm not backing the OP's prediction, because the predictions of random internet guy are generally not even worth their weight in manure. however, what i'm seeing in automation's progress makes me very nervous. i work in a highly educated, highly skilled field, and they are doing everything they can to replace us or minimize our role. i'm also concerned about the trucking industry, and the kind of bite that self driving trucks would take out of labor. all of that takes time, but it's almost certainly coming. will it cause rampant unemployment? i don't know.
 
There is no unemployment under Capitalism, only underpayment.

Improving economics technologies like automatic stabilizers can help Labor as the least wealthy, with institutional forms of upward pressure on wages. Business can obtain more cost effective metrics on which sectors are becoming obsolescent and Labor (as the least wealthy) can have greater opportunity to re-train and re-skill to those sectors which are more capitally conducive to the individual labor market participant.
 
The US unemployment rate will surpass 12% sometime before the year 2026.[/FONT][/COLOR]

under capitalism supply equal demand so there is no unemployment except for those briefly between jobs
 
From the OP,

However, I’m posting a simple chart in the hope the reader may be able to take notice that the unemployment rate always reverses dramatically after a period of years of constant decrease. In this case, the US unemployment has not seen a 50% retracement in 10 years which is the longest record ever recorded since records began.


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Although this has reversed dramatically and we all know it will be crazier this month, this is still just the beginning of a horrible 10 year + period for employment. Please take care of yourselves.
 
Now is the best time to upgrade our legal and physical infrastructure in our Republic.

Unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States can help automatically stabilize the effects of capitalism's natural rate of unemployment. In our case, unemployment compensation at the equivalent to fourteen dollars an hour, with or without a statutory fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage can help Labor upgrade their skills as well, in order to better fill new and higher paying positions.
 
Although this has reversed dramatically and we all know it will be crazier this month, this is still just the beginning of a horrible 10 year + period for employment. Please take care of yourselves.

I strongly doubt that anyone has any meaningful capacity to anticipate what will happen with the unemployment rate in the next decade, let alone by noting that the period of low unemployment we enjoyed was exceptional by historical standards.

Can you predit what will happen with the unemployment rate in the next few months? Sure. In the next year or two? Maybe. In the next ten years? I've never seen any indication whatsoever that anyone or anything can do that meaningfully.
 
I strongly doubt that anyone has any meaningful capacity to anticipate what will happen with the unemployment rate in the next decade, let alone by noting that the period of low unemployment we enjoyed was exceptional by historical standards.

What, no, ‘good forecast call’, Buck?




I can’t forecast every up and down in every month and year, but I essentially know unemployment statistics will be terrible over the next decade(worse 10 year period since the Great Depression), which is easier to forecast than the short and medium terms.



Can you predit what will happen with the unemployment rate in the next few months? Sure. In the next year or two? Maybe. In the next ten years? I've never seen any indication whatsoever that anyone or anything can do that meaningfully.

Are you saying you have seen and know all? And why would I take anyone’s anecdotal experience seriously. The longer term is easier to forecast than the shorter in terms of percentage, so we’re already on conflicting ground. Have you even attempted to understand EW yet?
 
Can you predit what will happen with the unemployment rate in the next few months? Sure. In the next year or two? Maybe. In the next ten years? I've never seen any indication whatsoever that anyone or anything can do that meaningfully.

Here is a 70-80 year long term forecast for the Dow I posted earlier in the thread or do you think unemployment stats are different in their capacity as compared to price action when forecasting long term trends.

Back in 1940, Ralph Nelson Elliott, the founder of Elliott Wave theory, provided many with what is likely the best market call of all time:

“[1941] should mark the final correction of the 13-year pattern of defeatism. This termination will also mark the beginning of a new Supercylce wave (V), comparable in many respects with the long [advance] from 1857 to 1929. Supercycle (V) is not expected to culminate until about 2012.”

Elliott Wave theory suggests an unsettling event will occur in the stock market - MarketWatch


Forecasting the longer term is easier than the short term.
 
Here is a 70-80 year long term forecast for the Dow I posted earlier in the thread or do you think unemployment stats are different in their capacity as compared to price action when forecasting long term trends.




Forecasting the longer term is easier than the short term.

Some on the left are advocating for solving simple poverty through faithful execution and equal protection of our own laws regarding the concept of employment at the will of either party under our form of Capitalism. Unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed in an at-will employment State can solve simple poverty and automatically stabilize our economy.

Now could be a good time for capitalists to upgrade their private sector infrastructure.
 
I can’t forecast every up and down in every month and year, but I essentially know unemployment statistics will be terrible over the next decade(worse 10 year period since the Great Depression), which is easier to forecast than the short and medium terms. Are you saying you have seen and know all? And why would I take anyone’s anecdotal experience seriously.

Let me be clearer about what I mean. Evaluating forecasts formally requires us to choose a metric. In the academic literatures in economics, finance and computer science, the overwhelming majority of people opt for the expect square loss or the expected absolute loss. Usually, we also consider that our best approximation of that requires us to backtest our forecasting methods, collect the resulting pseudo-out-of-sample forecasting errors and estimate the performance criteria using an empirical average of the appropriate transformation of those errors. Hence, when I talk about "good" and "bad" forecast, I refer to those metrics either as an absolute (i.e., the number itself for a given forecasting methods) or in relative terms (i.e., comparing two or more methods).

If you look at the unemployment rate in the US, most people would choose to impose a unit root and to model the first difference. In that case, your forecast would look like this: UR(T+h) = f(data(T)) + UR(T). One sense in which you can say that something is hard to forecast is that even a relatively bad, though simple model is hard to beat. Specifically, here, an AR(1) on the first difference is relatively hard to beat: UR(T+h) = a + b*(UR(T) - UR(T-1)) + UR(T). However, if you allow yourself to look up a mass of data (say, the FRED-MD data base), you can do something about it. For example, there seems to be a sweet spot some 9-12 months ahead where nonlinear methods such as Kernel Ridge Regression and Random Forest applied on lagged changes in unemployment rate and PCA-extracted factors and their lags will do very well. On some US macroeconomic variables, including the unemployment rate, you can extend that sweet spot to include 24 months ahead.

How do I know that? Well, I read dozens of papers on the matter and those specific results come from backtests I ran with some of my co-authors. It's fair to point out that I didn't read everything there is to read and I don't everything there is to know about forecasting. I'm not sure it's entirely fair to call this "anecdotal experience" on the other hand.

The longer term is easier to forecast than the shorter in terms of percentage, so we’re already on conflicting ground.

It depends on what you mean by "easier" to forecast. There is the idea of being close to the realization on an out-of-sample basis -- so, a small root mean squared error or a small mean absolute error in a backtest. Or, to paraphrase one of my superviser, there is the idea of beating a monkey model -- i.e., trying to beat simple methods (historical means, random walks, AR(1)). In the first case, ask yourself what kind of data generating process would not imply that the irreducible uncertainty of your forecast grows with the forecast horizon... Usually, you fall further off the track on average when you ove the target further away in time. For the second sense, it depends on the variable. What we found is that there seems to be a sweet spot for forecasting a macroeconomic variable and that it depends on the variable in question. It's easier to beat simple models further in time for the UR, but the window is closer to 1-3 months if you talk about certain spreads on interest rates.

Depending on what you mean by easier to forecast and on how you evaluate forecasts, you might be correct. However, if you pick the definitions I gave above, what I said would be correct up to my best knowledge.

Have you even attempted to understand EW yet?

I did not attempt to understand EW seriously. The little effort I put landed me on absurdly vague descriptions.

On the other hand, you told me before that you have been thinking about this for years. Why not open up a new thread in the economics subforum here where you explain the idea? I am sure you can give a good summary and an example or two within a one or two posts and it would help people understand what you are talking about all the time.
 
Here is a 70-80 year long term forecast for the Dow I posted earlier in the thread or do you think unemployment stats are different in their capacity as compared to price action when forecasting long term trends.

Unfortunately, the comment made by Elliott isn't sufficiently precise to allow me to evaluate how well he did.

When exactly is "until about 2012"? Suppose you work in monthly frequency, this means you have 12 data points in 2012 itself, but he says "until about 2012," so how many other months should I include before and after 2012? One year on both sides? You're up to 36 points. Which one of those 36 points did he predict? The 19th? Their average? Or should I just look around and pick the month where his prediction looks the best? Then, what exactly did he predict? There is no number here, not even a range of numbers. Should I take something like the total grow of the 1857 to 1929 period and append that to the Dow at the moment Elliott made his call? Again, same issue: over exactly which point in time should I compute the growth if I do that? And even if I overlook all of the above, this is one data point: one call, by one one man about one variable in one point in time.


It might be working, but I have no means of figuring out how well it is working. Ideally, I'd like many such calls with enough details to be able to unamibugously evaluate how well it does and, possibly, I'd like to run this in simulations as well to see in what kind of environments it might be expected to work and in what kind of environment it will fail...

That's the fundamental issue here. I'm not saying you cannot do what you claim to do. I am saying that I have strong doubts because (1) I have never seen anyone do this and (2) I have no idea how to even begin evaluating what you're trying to do. In other words, I'm looking for a strong, sound and clear reason why I should expect your method to work over such a long horizon and I come out empty handed. Do you have one?
 
I strongly doubt that anyone has any meaningful capacity to anticipate what will happen with the unemployment rate in the next decade, let alone by noting that the period of low unemployment we enjoyed was exceptional by historical standards. Can you predit what will happen with the unemployment rate in the next few months? Sure. In the next year or two? Maybe. In the next ten years? I've never seen any indication whatsoever that anyone or anything can do that meaningfully.

The reason for the occurrence of unemployment in industry is that the technological operations performed by a person during the evolution development of technology are transferred to machines, automatic machines or computers. And then the corresponding person or group of people loses work. Also, some production technologies are supplanted by other more advanced technologies. In view of this, people employed in the first technologies lose their jobs, while people employed in the second technologies receive it. But, this does not happen simultaneously; in all these processes there are time cycles and time intervals. Consequently, both development and the recession of the economy are determined by technological trends. In particular, technological trends drive the level of unemployment. In view of what, in some trends, unemployment increases, in others it decreases. But, on the whole, the historical trend is such that with the transition to fully automated production systems, unemployment will increase. In view of which, sooner or later, unconditional basic income will be introduced. At that time only a small number of the population will be employed in production.

In general, there are technological trends that increase unemployment, as evolving technology reduces jobs. And there are technological trends that reduce unemployment when a newly created technology provides new jobs. The interaction of these two main trends creates the movement of the unemployment graph up and down. In order to be able to calculate the movement of the chart, you need to know the relevant technological trends and be able to draw up their models. But, it is too difficult for modern economists. Therefore, the movement of the graph appears as a natural phenomenon.
 
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Evaluating forecasts formally requires us to choose a metric.

Yes, within your applied disciplines, but there are plenty of other scientific methods to evaluate forecasts. Your disciplines are not the only methods with claim on superiority. Furthermore, measuring success over time by casual observation is perhaps the better method than all for the average person as formal education and experience of specific disciplines is not needed. After all, I’m not here to teach the EW method as I don’t have the capabilities, desire and time to do that properly, but I'm making forecasts while you are not.

In the academic literatures in economics, finance and computer science, the overwhelming majority of people opt for the expect square loss or the expected absolute loss. Usually, we also consider that our best approximation of that requires us to backtest our forecasting methods, collect the resulting pseudo-out-of-sample forecasting errors and estimate the performance criteria using an empirical average of the appropriate transformation of those errors. Hence, when I talk about "good" and "bad" forecast, I refer to those metrics either as an absolute (i.e., the number itself for a given forecasting methods) or in relative terms (i.e., comparing two or more methods).

If you look at the unemployment rate in the US, most people would choose to impose a unit root and to model the first difference. In that case, your forecast would look like this: UR(T+h) = f(data(T)) + UR(T). One sense in which you can say that something is hard to forecast is that even a relatively bad, though simple model is hard to beat. Specifically, here, an AR(1) on the first difference is relatively hard to beat: UR(T+h) = a + b*(UR(T) - UR(T-1)) + UR(T). However, if you allow yourself to look up a mass of data (say, the FRED-MD data base), you can do something about it. For example, there seems to be a sweet spot some 9-12 months ahead where nonlinear methods such as Kernel Ridge Regression and Random Forest applied on lagged changes in unemployment rate and PCA-extracted factors and their lags will do very well. On some US macroeconomic variables, including the unemployment rate, you can extend that sweet spot to include 24 months ahead.

I’m gazing at the entire universe while you’re staring at the rate of scintillation for one star. Your explanation and insight into evaluating a forecast is extremely narrow. Forecasting large markets or unemployment rates for the long term involves the Natural world to be taken into account foremost. The methods you’re suggesting are too fine and narrow for the infinite possibilities of metrics to be measured within the Natural world. Where were the economists and yourself forecasting the unemployment rate skyrocketing? How can one use economics and finance to forecast how a market will react to a future epidemic when economists cannot explain, share backtests or understand past outcomes of market reactions to epidemics? How can one assess a forecast using your stated criteria without taking into account the Natural world as a whole?

I’m sharing the general, imprecise forecasts, demonstrating the large, long term swings. You’re application of modeling, backtests and analyzing is for the relatively precise, narrow evaluation of a forecast.

For example, a causal econometric forecasting method( regression, autoregressive, etc) to evaluate models, may succeed and evaluate forecasting models well when predicting sales for golf hats during major tournaments than during off season in the winter. But these methods and evaluating techniques usually only include limited underlying factors such as climate, seasonal variations, past sales, etc. The model and forecasting evaluation techniques do not identify and factor pandemics, war, terrorism, wide ranging human behavior, etc, hence, the model will work well for the majority of the short term, then fail miserably when rare, unthinkable events occur because it only applied limited factors and did not include other pertinent factors. Which is where our difference lies.

I’m gazing at the universe while you’re staring at a star.


How do I know that? Well, I read dozens of papers on the matter and those specific results come from backtests I ran with some of my co-authors. It's fair to point out that I didn't read everything there is to read and I don't everything there is to know about forecasting. I'm not sure it's entirely fair to call this "anecdotal experience" on the other hand.

When one states, “I’ve never seen any indication whatsoever that anyone or anything can do that meaningfully.”, my first thought is to disregard it as it’s a claim through the anecdotal. I’m not questioning your knowledge within your disciplines, but not taking it into consideration as they’re not the only methods as based in science.
 
It depends on what you mean by "easier" to forecast. There is the idea of being close to the realization on an out-of-sample basis -- so, a small root mean squared error or a small mean absolute error in a backtest. Or, to paraphrase one of my superviser, there is the idea of beating a monkey model -- i.e., trying to beat simple methods (historical means, random walks, AR(1)). In the first case, ask yourself what kind of data generating process would not imply that the irreducible uncertainty of your forecast grows with the forecast horizon... Usually, you fall further off the track on average when you ove the target further away in time. For the second sense, it depends on the variable. What we found is that there seems to be a sweet spot for forecasting a macroeconomic variable and that it depends on the variable in question. It's easier to beat simple models further in time for the UR, but the window is closer to 1-3 months if you talk about certain spreads on interest rates.

Depending on what you mean by easier to forecast and on how you evaluate forecasts, you might be correct. However, if you pick the definitions I gave above, what I said would be correct up to my best knowledge.

I mean that the large swings are easier to forecast for success than the smaller swings as there is more room for error and still achieve success.



I did not attempt to understand EW seriously. The little effort I put landed me on absurdly vague descriptions.

Try again, unless applied mathematics is deemed vague in your view. The basic descriptions of the complete 8 wave cycle and the various patterns may seem vague, but how they are measured and determined requires mathematics to narrow down the reversal points and period of time. I wonder how many people would make the same comment as you about economics if they only put a little effort into it and just read the general definition of what economics entails. How about when Civil Engineers’ double or quadruple stress analysis calculations on beams over a projected two hundred year lifespan, is that considered too vague and absurd.


On the other hand, you told me before that you have been thinking about this for years. Why not open up a new thread in the economics subforum here where you explain the idea? I am sure you can give a good summary and an example or two within a one or two posts and it would help people understand what you are talking about all the time.


I don’t think applied mathematics can be summarized and explained to people in a few posts or a hundred posts. There are books for people to delve into EW and mathematics if interested. Plus, making absurd general forecasts which play out over time may strike interest within others to learn on their own.
 
[FONT=&]As with general market sentiment, I don’t need or use the noise of news, government policy or economics to forecast the future of the US unemployment rate over the next decade. Elliott Wave Principles are my guide which I won’t elaborate on due to its applied complexity on unemployment and the amount of research and comprehension needed in order to explain it.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&]However, I’m posting a simple chart in the hope the reader may be able to take notice that the unemployment rate always reverses dramatically after a period of years of constant decrease. In this case, the US unemployment has not seen a 50% retracement in 10 years which is the longest record ever recorded since records began.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&]The US unemployment rate will reach 6% sometime between November 2020 to February 2022.[/FONT]
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It is why we need public policies that can help automatically stabilize our economy and engender a positive multiplier. Unemployment compensation can be one such policy. Corporate downsizing need no longer cause as many social problems with equal protection of the laws for unemployment compensation that conforms to the concept of employment at the will of either party in our at-will employment States.

Now could be a good time to upgrade the private sector. Such labor could be more technical and potentially expensive enough to help better stimulate our economy. Unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed in our at-will employment States could enable labor to quit low paying jobs to study for these types of jobs:

Labor shortage: The US doesn’t have enough workers to fill open jobs - Vox
 
It is why we need public policies that can help automatically stabilize our economy and engender a positive multiplier. Unemployment compensation can be one such policy. Corporate downsizing need no longer cause as many social problems with equal protection of the laws for unemployment compensation that conforms to the concept of employment at the will of either party in our at-will employment States.

Now could be a good time to upgrade the private sector. Such labor could be more technical and potentially expensive enough to help better stimulate our economy. Unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed in our at-will employment States could enable labor to quit low paying jobs to study for these types of jobs:

Labor shortage: The US doesn’t have enough workers to fill open jobs - Vox

Your plan to pay folks who simply elect to loaf (quit doing low paying jobs) is not going to happen. Under your dream system, whereby a person is paid the FTE of $14/hour simply to loaf, means that working for $15/hour would net that worker only $1/hour which is barely enough to cover the added personal expenses (e.g. transportation and clothing) required to go to work.
 
Your plan to pay folks who simply elect to loaf (quit doing low paying jobs) is not going to happen. Under your dream system, whereby a person is paid the FTE of $14/hour simply to loaf, means that working for $15/hour would net that worker only $1/hour which is barely enough to cover the added personal expenses (e.g. transportation and clothing) required to go to work.

Yes, I believe in Capitalism and how there is no unemployment under True capitalism only fake capitalism, there is only underpayment under True capitalism.
 
Try again, unless applied mathematics is deemed vague in your view. The basic descriptions of the complete 8 wave cycle and the various patterns may seem vague, but how they are measured and determined requires mathematics to narrow down the reversal points and period of time. I wonder how many people would make the same comment as you about economics if they only put a little effort into it and just read the general definition of what economics entails. How about when Civil Engineers’ double or quadruple stress analysis calculations on beams over a projected two hundred year lifespan, is that considered too vague and absurd.

I was looking for clear mathematical descriptions. In other words, what I have in mind are equations and algorithms, something that will not require me to make a subjective judgement call at some point. This is what I mean by precise -- and economic models are precise in this sense.
 
We are in uncharted waters. While technology in the past always resulted in new industries, there is nothing new on the horizon this time around. All of the economic models are obsolete. No one has a clue how this will work out in the future.

I personally think there will be an highly paid group at the top who can master technology and keep it functioning, who can produce the innovations that keep it going, and everyone else. Further wage inequality will be inevitable.

There used to be 30 machinists at my local machine shop. Now there are 4. Those four program and run computer controlled CNC milling machines, and can turn out more product than the shop did before automation. Now, importantly, they don't need 26 people to service the machines. The 4 do that. the machines were made offshore. Those job losses will NOT be made up somewhere else. Those good paying jobs are gone.

BTW; economic unpredictability, (angst over jobs, careers, loans, etc.) is why we have SJW and discontent among the Milennials. They just don't see a future path. And they are right to be worried.
 
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