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On the issue of raising the minimum wage

What is your opinion on the plans to increase the minimum wage?


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A controversial subject debated in the U.S and Canada is the plan to increase the minimum wage up to 15 Dollar/hour. Several states passed their own minimum wage raise. The debate about the minimum wage involved employees and employers.

The classical approach for this controversial matter can be found in the university business courses. It hurts the economy for many reasons: First, it will encourage people to drop out of education. Second, it will increase the number of unskilled workers, finally, it’s against free market principles that determine the wage level based on supply and demand. The opposite approach argument based on basic, and human rights of workers. Supporters claim that increasing the minimum wage will benefit the local and national economy.
Personally, my opinion about the minimum wage is cloudy. I am not sure that I will answer by agreeing or disagree on that matter. I would like to discuss a few points briefly leaving for the members the change to fill between the lines by their comments.

In a free market economy, the rise of the minimum wage will hurt the employers and employees. The reason is that without a mechanism to curb down the prices, and the inflation followed absorbed by the rise in the prices and won’t benefit the employees. The employers respond could be ranged from cut down employment, working hours and filling their job vacancies with part-time, and temporary workers. Employers will raise the prices on consumers, the result is a possible loss of sales.

I was reading one time that increases in McDonald s Double Mac 15-17 cents can be enough to cover up to 15 Dollar minimum wage raise. However, I am not sure about the accuracy of such opinions and the supporting data available. Many employers provide health insurance and benefits for workers that ignored by legislators. Meanwhile, many others pay less than 3 Dollars without any benefits because workers collect tips. We can find this pattern very common in restaurants. Let us not forget that tips mostly in tax-free money.

The increase in the minimum wage must be based on economics, not politics. It needs to be balanced, fair to employees, but not hurting employers. The planners should take the economy into consideration. The Global economy is still in recession since 2007 Subprime Mortgage crisis.

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Government price controls are always a bad thing.
 
A controversial subject debated in the U.S and Canada is the plan to increase the minimum wage up to 15 Dollar/hour. Several states passed their own minimum wage raise. The debate about the minimum wage involved employees and employers.

The classical approach for this controversial matter can be found in the university business courses. It hurts the economy for many reasons: First, it will encourage people to drop out of education. Second, it will increase the number of unskilled workers, finally, it’s against free market principles that determine the wage level based on supply and demand. The opposite approach argument based on basic, and human rights of workers. Supporters claim that increasing the minimum wage will benefit the local and national economy.
Personally, my opinion about the minimum wage is cloudy. I am not sure that I will answer by agreeing or disagree on that matter. I would like to discuss a few points briefly leaving for the members the change to fill between the lines by their comments.

In a free market economy, the rise of the minimum wage will hurt the employers and employees. The reason is that without a mechanism to curb down the prices, and the inflation followed absorbed by the rise in the prices and won’t benefit the employees. The employers respond could be ranged from cut down employment, working hours and filling their job vacancies with part-time, and temporary workers. Employers will raise the prices on consumers, the result is a possible loss of sales.

I was reading one time that increases in McDonald s Double Mac 15-17 cents can be enough to cover up to 15 Dollar minimum wage raise. However, I am not sure about the accuracy of such opinions and the supporting data available. Many employers provide health insurance and benefits for workers that ignored by legislators. Meanwhile, many others pay less than 3 Dollars without any benefits because workers collect tips. We can find this pattern very common in restaurants. Let us not forget that tips mostly in tax-free money.

The increase in the minimum wage must be based on economics, not politics. It needs to be balanced, fair to employees, but not hurting employers. The planners should take the economy into consideration. The Global economy is still in recession since 2007 Subprime Mortgage crisis.

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I think you have to be a bit immoral to not support an expanded minimum wage.
 
Government price controls are always a bad thing.

I disagree with you to a certain degree. But the problem is that whenever the government start intervening, it won't know when or where to stop.
 
  1. It's ridiculous that there is even a normatively driven conversation about minimum wage implementations.
  2. There's no excuse for there being, aside from minors working summer jobs, minimum-wage-suitable workers in the US. No US adult younger than 65 should even be concerned about anything having to do with whether there is or isn't a minimum wage law. Every American adult should be performing work whereby the value proposition for trading labor for capital lacks financial merit and/or existential feasibility.


What is your opinion on the plans to increase the minimum wage?

Implement it or don't. I won't oppose either outcome, but it shouldn't be necessary given the nature of our economy and our nation's comparative advantage in the global economy.
 
I think you have to be a bit immoral to not support an expanded minimum wage.

I am not sure really what to tell you. I mean getting less than 3 Dollars per hour just because you can make tips isn't fair, it is brutal and modern slavery. However, the minimum wage hike isn't fair too for employers paying health insurance, tuition fees and other benefits. It's like a two-edged sword.
 
A controversial subject debated in the U.S and Canada is the plan to increase the minimum wage up to 15 Dollar/hour.

a dumb idea since it makes it illegal to hire anyone not worth the minimum wage.
 
  1. It's ridiculous that there is even a normatively driven conversation about minimum wage implementations.
  2. There's no excuse for there being, aside from minors working summer jobs, minimum-wage-suitable workers in the US. No US adult younger than 65 should even be concerned about anything having to do with whether there is or isn't a minimum wage law. Every American adult should be performing work whereby the value proposition for trading labor for capital lacks financial merit and/or existential feasibility.




Implement it or don't. I won't oppose either outcome, but it shouldn't be necessary given the nature of our economy and our nation's comparative advantage in the global economy.

A good comment. I agree with you on some points.
 
I am not sure really what to tell you. I mean getting less than 3 Dollars per hour just because you can make tips isn't fair, it is brutal and modern slavery. However, the minimum wage hike isn't fair too for employers paying health insurance, tuition fees and other benefits. It's like a two-edged sword.

People who work on tips or commission are not exempt from the minimum wage.
 
[ Every American adult should be performing work whereby the value proposition for trading labor for capital lacks financial merit and/or existential feasibility.
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can you say this in English???




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can you say this in English???
 
  1. It's ridiculous that there is even a normatively driven conversation about minimum wage implementations.
  2. There's no excuse for there being, aside from minors working summer jobs, minimum-wage-suitable workers in the US. No US adult younger than 65 should even be concerned about anything having to do with whether there is or isn't a minimum wage law. Every American adult should be performing work whereby the value proposition for trading labor for capital lacks financial merit and/or existential feasibility.




Implement it or don't. I won't oppose either outcome, but it shouldn't be necessary given the nature of our economy and our nation's comparative advantage in the global economy.

wow, just wow

It's like this only speaks to theory and ignores realities.
 
a dumb idea since it makes it illegal to hire anyone not worth the minimum wage.

Maybe businesses are not worth existing if they can't pay a decent wage.
 
wow, just wow

It's like this only speaks to theory and ignores realities.

The folks whom I've observed dutifully and aptly applying the theory are, in fact, quite satisfied with the reality borne of their doing so.
 
Maybe businesses are not worth existing if they can't pay a decent wage.

so you want to improve situation by getting rid of Walmart and putting 2.3 million on the liberal dole??
 
The folks whom I've observed dutifully and aptly applying the theory are, in fact, quite satisfied with the reality borne of their doing so.

well then move into the mainstream

read history
 
A controversial subject debated in the U.S and Canada is the plan to increase the minimum wage up to 15 Dollar/hour. Several states passed their own minimum wage raise. The debate about the minimum wage involved employees and employers.

The classical approach for this controversial matter can be found in the university business courses. It hurts the economy for many reasons: First, it will encourage people to drop out of education. Second, it will increase the number of unskilled workers, finally, it’s against free market principles that determine the wage level based on supply and demand. The opposite approach argument based on basic, and human rights of workers. Supporters claim that increasing the minimum wage will benefit the local and national economy.
Personally, my opinion about the minimum wage is cloudy. I am not sure that I will answer by agreeing or disagree on that matter. I would like to discuss a few points briefly leaving for the members the change to fill between the lines by their comments.

In a free market economy, the rise of the minimum wage will hurt the employers and employees. The reason is that without a mechanism to curb down the prices, and the inflation followed absorbed by the rise in the prices and won’t benefit the employees. The employers respond could be ranged from cut down employment, working hours and filling their job vacancies with part-time, and temporary workers. Employers will raise the prices on consumers, the result is a possible loss of sales.

I was reading one time that increases in McDonald s Double Mac 15-17 cents can be enough to cover up to 15 Dollar minimum wage raise. However, I am not sure about the accuracy of such opinions and the supporting data available. Many employers provide health insurance and benefits for workers that ignored by legislators. Meanwhile, many others pay less than 3 Dollars without any benefits because workers collect tips. We can find this pattern very common in restaurants. Let us not forget that tips mostly in tax-free money.

The increase in the minimum wage must be based on economics, not politics. It needs to be balanced, fair to employees, but not hurting employers. The planners should take the economy into consideration. The Global economy is still in recession since 2007 Subprime Mortgage crisis.

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I find hamburger koisks and on line ordering to be a PIA when you have coupons, plus its just simpler and quicker to tell Miss Muffet what you want and it done.

Prices will go up to cover it, and as labor cost go up automation gets more competitive. Anyone ever remember calling a business and getting a human? And now due to “efficiency” you are playing phone button whack-a-mole with a machine. You are now doing all the work.
 
People who work on tips or commission are not exempt from the minimum wage.

Depends on the state. Many people are exempt. Even federally.
 
so you want to improve situation by getting rid of Walmart and putting 2.3 million on the liberal dole??

I guess we might exempt mom and pop operations like Walmart, but I think even they wouldn’t fold if the minimum wage is increased.
 
Who is mistaken?

Minimum Wage Laws - Employment Law Handbook

Excerpted from above link.

The employer must guarantee the worker makes no less than minimum wage. So if tips or commission at the end of the pay period do not equate to minimum wage, the employer must pay the difference to bring them up to minimum.

The tips or commissions seldom fall under minimum so seldom does the employer have to make up any difference.

Here is a list of exemptions Access Denied
 
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The employer must guarantee the worker makes no less than minimum wage. So if tips or commission at the end of the pay period do not equate to minimum wage, the employer must pay the difference to bring them up to minimum.

The tips or commissions seldom fall under minimum so seldom does the employer have to make up any difference.

Here is a list of exemptions Access Denied

I just provided a list of classifications of people exempt from minimum wage. OTR truck drivers being the largest group.
 
I just provided a list of classifications of people exempt from minimum wage. OTR truck drivers being the largest group.

Many might not realize driving a truck is skilled labor. Legit truck drivers have a median wage of $42480, which is $4790 above the median wage for all jobs ($37690). Contrast this with food workers, who have a median wage of $20400.

Low-skill low-wage labor benefits far more from a minimum wage than firms or consumers pay extra in price. We just have to remember that there becomes a price point where LS/LW labor will ultimately be replaced by capital, and it happens for multiple factors excluding the wage floor. There becomes a point where efficiency gains can only come from technology (which is a form of capital). Or take trade for example. Unless a business was able to bring cheap foreign labor into the country and pay a prevailing wage from the workers home country (illegal), certain operations will benefit from importing.
 
I find hamburger koisks and on line ordering to be a PIA when you have coupons, plus its just simpler and quicker to tell Miss Muffet what you want and it done.

Prices will go up to cover it, and as labor cost go up automation gets more competitive. Anyone ever remember calling a business and getting a human? And now due to “efficiency” you are playing phone button whack-a-mole with a machine. You are now doing all the work.

Good comment although I don't agree with you a 100%
 
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