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The problem of Capitalism

Do you agree that the main problem of Capitalism is of moral nature?


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Jawaharlal Nehru India previous prime minister wrote in his book "Glimpse of the World History" about the financial crisis and its dynamics. He mentioned that during 1931-1933, the total amount of coffee destroyed in Brazil was 14 million bags; 132 pound each, the total amount was over 1.848.000.000 pounds which more than enough to provide coffee at a discounted price to the whole of the world population. The plantation owners rather destroy the coffee than sell it at a discounted price regardless of the Great Depression.

The coffee was one commodity among many others that destroyed in large quantities in order to keep the price high. We witness in our current time how retailers like Walmart destroy their excess food products with still valid expiry date instead of donating the items to charities or homeless shelters. The problem of Capitalism neither the distribution as Jawaharlal Nehru wrote in his book nor the production as others may think, but ethics and morals. The principles that Adam Smith established, (laissez-faire) and (The Invisible Hand) were misinterpreted and abused causing damage for the moral principles of a system supposed to secure a balanced world economy.

We can view many examples of how Capitalism was misused to create a world of misery and pain for 99% of the world population. First, the production of Ethanol-85 known as E85 is one striking example of ignorance and selfishness. The process of producing the E85 isn’t cost-effective, and the return is below zero, it will consume too much fossil fuel energy to produce one unit of the Ethanol-85. It occupies acres that needed desperately to feed the increasing world population. Second, Meat industry using large sectors of the agricultural land to grow corn and Soybean to feed the cattle and poultry. Moreover, to free up needed space, they destroy forests and natural habitats for many endangered animal species and plants. Third, the phenomenon of political money, funding election campaign by corporations, financial institutions and wealthy businessmen lead to a less transparent system designed to guarantee the interest of the few on the expense of the many, the wealthy pay less or no taxes while the poor pair most of the tax burden.

CBC(Canadian Broadcasting Corporation published headlines story about Tim’s Hortons franchise owner in the province of Ontario send a letter to employees containing termination of the paid work breaks among many other details. The letter signed by Ron Joyce Jr. and Jeri-Lynn Horton-Joyce, the son and daughter of the chain's co-founders, Ron Joyce and the late Tim Horton. The letter issued in response to the Ontario government decision to raise the minimum wages to $14.00 minimum wage on January 1, 2018, then $15.00 per hour on January 1, 2019. The franchise owner wealth estimated 1.4 billion Dollar only. Macdonald, a fast food franchise is planning to raise their prices in response to the 15 CAD minimum wage plans in Ontario province and even in some American states. What many didn't know is that15-17 cents rise in the price of double Mac, one of the most popular meals, or 30-cent rise in average for fast food restaurant visit will be enough to cover the rise in the minimum wage with increasing the price of the meals.

Many writers and intellectuals talked about the problem of Capitalism and the origin of the financial crisis, hundreds of thousands of articles in the newspapers, websites, interviews or T.V programs. However, none touches even the tip of the iceberg or provides a practical solution to deal with the mega-crises that hit the global economy more frequently with the passing time. The real answer for Capitalism problems could be found in practice more ethics and believe in self-consciousness to do the right thing at the right time.

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We can view many examples of how Capitalism was misused to create a world of misery and pain for 99% of the world population.

This is patently false, and the examples you give to support it are absurd.
 
Many writers and intellectuals talked about the problem of Capitalism

I think for me a big aha moment was understanding more about the concept of Nash Equilibriums and nature of game theory. Capitalism is based on competition, and in any competition, you're going to have those who would be willing to be unscrupulous in order to win. What's worse is that so long as you have those who are willing to do some underhanded things in order to gain a competitive edge it can make it really hard for others to not do the same thing just to keep up. What's worse is that sometimes just the threat that someone could do something bad can convince people they need to do it pre-emptively.

I think a great way to look at how Capitalism needs to work is to look at professional sports. It's very important in professional sports for referees to have control of the game. That doesn't mean they're telling everyone what to do, but to have a close eye on the game and calling any penalties that are committed. It's also very critical for the Commissioners office to have a competition committee that regularly assesses the way in which the game is being played to make it better. Adjusting the rules when necessary. Part of improving the competition in any professional sports league is improving parity. Ensuring that past success doesn't guarantee future success, and that past failure doesn't guarantee future failure. To ensure that a bad team has a reasonable opportunity to improve itself with a season or two, and ensure that a good team will have to work extra hard to maintain it's dominance year in and year out.

Now the problem with all of this is that in a football game the competition is very open and transparent. It's literally broadcast to the world, and everyone can see what's going on. That way if there is someone doing something wrong on the field it's easier to see it and focus on it over time. But in the real world economy, there is no singular governing body that is responsible for regulating competition around the world, and many of the ones that regulate competition internally to a country can become corrupted by those who want to bend the rules.

In short, competition can be good in many ways, but it needs to be well regulated and that is what is exceedingly difficult about any economic system.
 
I think for me a big aha moment was understanding more about the concept of Nash Equilibriums and nature of game theory. Capitalism is based on competition, and in any competition, you're going to have those who would be willing to be unscrupulous in order to win. What's worse is that so long as you have those who are willing to do some underhanded things in order to gain a competitive edge it can make it really hard for others to not do the same thing just to keep up. What's worse is that sometimes just the threat that someone could do something bad can convince people they need to do it pre-emptively.

I think a great way to look at how Capitalism needs to work is to look at professional sports. It's very important in professional sports for referees to have control of the game. That doesn't mean they're telling everyone what to do, but to have a close eye on the game and calling any penalties that are committed. It's also very critical for the Commissioners office to have a competition committee that regularly assesses the way in which the game is being played to make it better. Adjusting the rules when necessary. Part of improving the competition in any professional sports league is improving parity. Ensuring that past success doesn't guarantee future success, and that past failure doesn't guarantee future failure. To ensure that a bad team has a reasonable opportunity to improve itself with a season or two, and ensure that a good team will have to work extra hard to maintain it's dominance year in and year out.

Now the problem with all of this is that in a football game the competition is very open and transparent. It's literally broadcast to the world, and everyone can see what's going on. That way if there is someone doing something wrong on the field it's easier to see it and focus on it over time. But in the real world economy, there is no singular governing body that is responsible for regulating competition around the world, and many of the ones that regulate competition internally to a country can become corrupted by those who want to bend the rules.

In short, competition can be good in many ways, but it needs to be well regulated and that is what is exceedingly difficult about any economic system.

Good comment. I agree with you
 
Capitalism isn't a moral issue. Capitalism allows the individual to determine how goods and services are distributed rather than the opposite, socialism or democratic socialism (a distinction without a difference, IMO, because the state controls how goods and services are distributed), where political morals are given to justify how goods and services are distributed. And which neither you nor I have any say in how those goods are distributed.
 
Capitalism isn't a moral issue. Capitalism allows the individual to determine how goods and services are distributed rather than the opposite, socialism or democratic socialism (a distinction without a difference, IMO, because the state controls how goods and services are distributed), where political morals are given to justify how goods and services are distributed. And which neither you nor I have any say in how those goods are distributed.

I disagree with you especially on the last part, we have a say in how those goods are distributed. But the media sometimes can cloud our judgement.
 
I disagree with you especially on the last part, we have a say in how those goods are distributed. But the media sometimes can cloud our judgement.

We? Which we? The house's we or the Senate's we? Certainly not you nor me. Not the individual.
 
Not to an object look at it.

Oh? Provide the objective data which shows that capitalism puts 99% of the world population in "misery."
 
JFirst, the production of Ethanol-85 known as E85 is one striking example of ignorance and selfishness. The process of producing the E85 isn’t cost-effective, and the return is below zero, it will consume too much fossil fuel energy to produce one unit of the Ethanol-85. It occupies acres that needed desperately to feed the increasing world population.

You do realize that there are ethanol subsidies, right?
 
You do realize that there are ethanol subsidies, right?

Can you elaborate? Do you mean alternatives or government split the cost of production in different ways?
 
Jawaharlal Nehru India previous prime minister wrote in his book "Glimpse of the World History" about the financial crisis and its dynamics. He mentioned that during 1931-1933, the total amount of coffee destroyed in Brazil was 14 million bags; 132 pound each, the total amount was over 1.848.000.000 pounds which more than enough to provide coffee at a discounted price to the whole of the world population. The plantation owners rather destroy the coffee than sell it at a discounted price regardless of the Great Depression.

The problem with socialism is that the government must keep under-performing coffee plantations in business with government stimulus money because the government has removed incentives for owners to try to make a profit and for workers to work hard and do quality work.
 
You do realize that there are ethanol subsidies, right?

That's the only reason why E-85 is even still produced. It has a negative ERoEI when produced using the corn model.
Cellulosic ethanol isn't yet fiscally workable either. It might be, it possibly could be, but it ain't...not at this time.

The Navy has figured out a way to produce jet fuel from seawater, using the nuclear power on board aircraft carriers.
The only environment where that model is workable however, is AT SEA ON BOARD an aircraft carrier, because it is a little bit less expensive than using huge oil tankers to DELIVER jet fuel, and from a wartime logistical standpoint, it is far superior.

The idea of using nuclear power to convert seawater to fuel is frightfully expensive if done for private passenger vehicles on shore.
 
The problem with socialism is that the government must keep under-performing coffee plantations in business with government stimulus money because the government has removed incentives for owners to try to make a profit and for workers to work hard and do quality work.

Not necessary. I mean governments do that now with big banks and corporations, bail them out. For that reason, I don't see the problem why governments shouldn't bailout small businesses.
 
none touches even the tip of the iceberg or provides a practical solution to deal with the mega-crises that hit the global economy more frequently with the passing time.

what on earth are you talking about?? There was 1929 then 2008. Probably wont be another for 100 years, and 2008 was cured fairly easily. Do you understand?
 
...The real answer for Capitalism problems could be found in practice more ethics and believe in self-consciousness to do the right thing at the right time.

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I disagree.

The solution to capitalism's so-called ills is acumen and/or education. To thrive under capitalism, one needs a good bit of one or the other because that's what it takes to (1) recognize opportunity when it comes one's way and (2) to avail oneself of opportunity.

If one lacks the sense or is simply too reticent to economically/financially apply instrumental rationality, one doesn't belong in a capitalist economy. It is what it is if one is thus bereft or disinclined, but if one is so, at least acknowledge it and, in turn, move to an economy that's fundamentally, structurally consistent with that to which one is disposed and able.
 
The real answer for Capitalism problems

socialism just killed 180 million and capitalism has problems after it just eliminated 40% of the entire planets poverty. See why we are 100% forced to conclude that liberalism is based in pure ignorance.
 
Not necessary. I mean governments do that now with big banks and corporations, bail them out. For that reason, I don't see the problem why governments shouldn't bailout small businesses.

The government is already in debt over its head, which is just another reason they have no business trying to make businesses work. They cannot even make their own business work without going into deep debt.
 
We don't have Capitalism, we have corporate capture of the government.


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The political philosopher Sheldon Wolin coined the term inverted totalitarianism in 2003 to describe what he saw as the emerging form of government of the United States. Wolin analysed the United States as increasingly turning into a managed democracy (similar to an illiberal democracy). He uses the term "inverted totalitarianism" to draw attention to the totalitarian aspects of the American political system while emphasizing its differences from proper totalitarianism, such as Nazi and Stalinist regimes.[1]
The book Days of Destruction, Days of Revolt (2012) by Chris Hedges and Joe Sacco portrays inverted totalitarianism as a system where corporations have corrupted and subverted democracy and where economics trumps politics.[2][3][4][5][need quotation to verify] Every natural resource and living being is commodified and exploited by large corporations to the point of collapse as excess consumerism and sensationalism lull and manipulate the citizenry into surrendering their liberties and their participation in government.
 
We don't have Capitalism, we have corporate capture of the government.

total BS of course. Why so afraid to give us example of this?????
 
total BS of course. Why so afraid to give us example of this?????

Not afraid, most politicians are bought & paid for. Hell you could say the Koch Brothers have bought the Republican Party.
 
Hell you could say the Koch Brothers have bought the Republican Party.

if true why not provide some evidence? Republican Party has stood for libertarian govt since Jefferson. That was long before Koch brothers. Do you understand?
 
Not necessary. I don't see the problem why governments shouldn't bailout small businesses.

Obviously if you bail out failed businesses and individuals you make the problem worse. Now do you understand?
 
if true why not provide some evidence? Republican Party has stood for libertarian govt since Jefferson. That was long before Koch brothers. Do you understand?

Do you understand groups like the Liberty League & the John Birch Society?

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Why don't you find out for yourself.
 
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