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* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Capitalism, A Worker's Best Friend?

MTAtech said:
They're no friend of the average Joe or Jane.
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So inviting in 30 million illegals and now wanting open borders to invite in another 30 million to take Joe and Janes jobs is a way to be friends with Joe and Jane American?? See why we say liberalism is based in ignorance? Is any other conclusion possible?
 
MTAtech said:
It's amusing to read what conservatives 'think' liberal positions are. You see, conservatives run for office on strawman positions, like "liberals are for open borders!" Be very afraid.

Meanwhile, Republicans 'say' they want to protect your job but when given a chance to pass a bill that stops the government from encouraging outsourcing jobs, they kill it in the Senate. Worse, the Trump/GOP tax law rewards offshoring -- the new law allows companies to pay half or less of the corporate tax rate on profits earned abroad as they would here at home.

Tip for voters: Don't listen to what conservatives or Republicans SAY. Research what they DO when in power. They're no friend of the average Joe or Jane.
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The interesting aspect of the conservative rationale is they rail against off shoring of jobs but claim to want unregulated markets and minimal government interference. What's comical is off shoring jobs is a way for companies to increase profits by reducing labor costs; which is a smart business decision. So now they want government to interfere with market decisions; politicians know better which is why you'll see the talk end up just that when it comes to action.
 
ElChupacabra said:
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"saintly free market". sure. markets are creations of people, and people handling money are often less than saintly.
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not under capitalism where you have to offer or gift best jobs and products in world just to survive
 
James972 said:
So inviting in 30 million illegals and now wanting open borders to invite in another 30 million to take Joe and Janes jobs is a way to be friends with Joe and Jane American?? See why we say liberalism is based in ignorance? Is any other conclusion possible?
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That you don't understand what you're discussing is one.
 
ElChupacabra said:
. What's comical is off shoring jobs is a way for companies to increase profits
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it does not increase profits it lowers prices for consumers. 1+1=2. You have learned this 45 times now.
 
James972 said:
not under capitalism where you have to offer or gift best jobs and products in world just to survive
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what happens when you want to offer products but pay less for labor? Do you think the government should interfere with corporate decisions?
 
ElChupacabra said:
The interesting aspect of the conservative rationale is they rail against off shoring of jobs but claim to want unregulated markets and minimal government interference.
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dear you clean forgot to say why its interesting!
 
ElChupacabra said:
So then you should have no problem with job offshoring even at the expense of the US worker right?
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best is to have domestic jobs and low prices. 1+1=2
 
ElChupacabra said:
how do you do that when US labor is very expensive compared to foreign labor?
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by not having highest corporate taxes and regulations, dumbest trade deals, unions etc etc in world. You have learned this 123 times now? Yet you ask it every other day? Whats wrong?
 
James972 said:
not only does Hillary dream of open borders but the whole party has learned that those who oppose open borders and the Wall are racist! But lets blame capitalism for stagnant wages!! 1+1=2
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A) Hillary isn't running for anything.
B) If you think that is Hillary's position, provide a quote.
 
James972 said:
by not having highest corporate taxes and regulations, dumbest trade deals, unions etc etc in world. You have learned this 123 times now? Yet you ask it every other day? Whats wrong?
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You are aware that many corporations were not paying the full corporate tax rate as it was right? You also know that many trade deals are backed by corporations since they are the main beneficiaries, right? That you ask these questions leads me to think you really have no clue about the difference between the conceptual and reality. Ideals are nice, but often made sober by realities.
 
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ElChupacabra said:
You are aware that many corporations were not paying the full corporate tax rate as it was right?.
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sure many moved off shore to lower tax countries. You have learned this 133 times. Are you going to ask again tomorrow?
 
ElChupacabra said:
You also know that many trade deals are backed by corporations since they are the main beneficiaries, right?
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issue isn't who backs them but why we don't have capitalism when intelligent people know its best by far best
 
James972 said:
issue isn't who backs them but why we don't have capitalism when intelligent people know its best by far best
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We do have capitalism, but in a mixed economy. Unfettered capitalism didn't work so well here in the early part of the 20th century so modifications were made to keep it in check. Think of it like sports: you have rules so players keep it entertaining and have guidelines as to what fair play is and clearly defined objectives. Intelligent people understand this.
 
James972 said:
sure many moved off shore to lower tax countries. You have learned this 133 times. Are you going to ask again tomorrow?
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No, I'm referring to US corporations not paying the full US corporate tax rate. I'll continue to ask because you seem clueless about these matters, so better to ask then assume you don't know. Your responses show you don't know though. Keep your abacus handy so you can keep tally of your inane responses.
 
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