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Luckyone

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First of all, let me give you may credentials regarding the Stock Market. I started in the business in 1977 as a trader in the commodities market. I then shifted to trading stocks in 1984. I worked for Merrill Lynch, Prudential-Bache and Dean Witter and was a broker/analyst. I was even one of the official tech analysts while at Prudential-Bache, giving technical advice on the markets.

I left the industry in 1988 to form a company with my ex-wife that was not associated with the market at all. We were very successful but that finished in 1998 when we got divorced. In 2005 I started trading again and since 2007 I have been offering a chart service to investors that is based on Charts and Moving Averages. With that service, I have shown a net result at the end of the year of a 67% return on investment. I have also shown 9 profitable years and only 2 losing years.

I am a trader and everything I do in the market is based on charts. I do not look at the fundamentals, believing that the charts reflect what the people-in-the-know are doing. I follow the money because those people know more fundamentals than I do and the charts usually reflect what is likely to happen.

Having said that, this thread is about the market being about as high as it can go. Just last month AAPL reached a valuation of over $1 trillion dollars and that has never happened before in the history of the market. In addition, AMZN has a PE ratio of over 325 and considering that what is normal are PE ratios of about 15, it can be considered hugely overpriced.

The NASDAQ and the Tech Sector have been leading the way, much like the Dot.com era did in 1999. The NAZ has gone up from 1265 to this week's high at 8119, much like it did between 1987 and 2000 when it went from 228 to 5132.

The economy is doing well and the tax cuts and deregulation that occurred under Trump has made the market continue higher.

Today, I checked on what was the reason that the NAZ collapsed in the year 2000, having gone from 5132 to 3042 in just 8 weeks and I was surprised to find that it was not bad news that caused the drop but the opposite......good news. Here is the explanation I got from a Google search regarding the fall in the year 2000:

"The Nasdaq fell more than 25 percent this week, trouncing the 19 percent fall that began Oct. 21, 1987, Black Monday. Friday's plunge came after the government said prices at the consumer level showed surprising strength last month, triggering fears that the Federal Reserve may raise interest rates more aggressively".

This doesn't seem to be a potential problem right now given that inflation is where the Fed wants it to be and it is unlikely they will be aggressive in raising rates. So what could be the trigger for a fall now? It is without a doubt the Trade War. Trade Wars are never positive for the market but right now the traders have been ignoring it given that it started only 2 months ago and no official feedback of the negatives have come out. Nonetheless, next week the ISM Index and Jobs reports come out and it is said the Tariffs have been causing job loss and if that starts to be reflected in the numbers, it could be the trigger for profit taking and a domino-like down move.

Comments welcome
 
I recall a term, "trend gravity."
 
It's gone way up. At some point it's going to come down. Now pay me $100 for my brilliant insight.
 
First of all, let me give you may credentials regarding the Stock Market. I started in the business in 1977 as a trader in the commodities market. I then shifted to trading stocks in 1984. I worked for Merrill Lynch, Prudential-Bache and Dean Witter and was a broker/analyst. I was even one of the official tech analysts while at Prudential-Bache, giving technical advice on the markets.

I left the industry in 1988 to form a company with my ex-wife that was not associated with the market at all. We were very successful but that finished in 1998 when we got divorced. In 2005 I started trading again and since 2007 I have been offering a chart service to investors that is based on Charts and Moving Averages. With that service, I have shown a net result at the end of the year of a 67% return on investment. I have also shown 9 profitable years and only 2 losing years.

I am a trader and everything I do in the market is based on charts. I do not look at the fundamentals, believing that the charts reflect what the people-in-the-know are doing. I follow the money because those people know more fundamentals than I do and the charts usually reflect what is likely to happen.

Having said that, this thread is about the market being about as high as it can go. Just last month AAPL reached a valuation of over $1 trillion dollars and that has never happened before in the history of the market. In addition, AMZN has a PE ratio of over 325 and considering that what is normal are PE ratios of about 15, it can be considered hugely overpriced.

The NASDAQ and the Tech Sector have been leading the way, much like the Dot.com era did in 1999. The NAZ has gone up from 1265 to this week's high at 8119, much like it did between 1987 and 2000 when it went from 228 to 5132.

The economy is doing well and the tax cuts and deregulation that occurred under Trump has made the market continue higher.

Today, I checked on what was the reason that the NAZ collapsed in the year 2000, having gone from 5132 to 3042 in just 8 weeks and I was surprised to find that it was not bad news that caused the drop but the opposite......good news. Here is the explanation I got from a Google search regarding the fall in the year 2000:

"The Nasdaq fell more than 25 percent this week, trouncing the 19 percent fall that began Oct. 21, 1987, Black Monday. Friday's plunge came after the government said prices at the consumer level showed surprising strength last month, triggering fears that the Federal Reserve may raise interest rates more aggressively".

This doesn't seem to be a potential problem right now given that inflation is where the Fed wants it to be and it is unlikely they will be aggressive in raising rates. So what could be the trigger for a fall now? It is without a doubt the Trade War. Trade Wars are never positive for the market but right now the traders have been ignoring it given that it started only 2 months ago and no official feedback of the negatives have come out. Nonetheless, next week the ISM Index and Jobs reports come out and it is said the Tariffs have been causing job loss and if that starts to be reflected in the numbers, it could be the trigger for profit taking and a domino-like down move.

Comments welcome

That is a very good post my friend.

IMO if you took the tarrifs out of the equation, the dow jones would be at 30,000, at least....that's why I do not believe we have reached the peak of the bull market yet. The economy is too strong for a recession or crash to happen.

I think we are safe for the next 2 years at least.
 
That is a very good post my friend.

IMO if you took the tarrifs out of the equation, the dow jones would be at 30,000, at least....that's why I do not believe we have reached the peak of the bull market yet. The economy is too strong for a recession or crash to happen.

I think we are safe for the next 2 years at least.

Though the Tariffs have been a negative, they have so far been ignored, meaning that it is highly unlikely that the DOW would be at 30,000 without them.

Nonetheless, the Tariffs are not going to go away (Trump is too stubborn on this) and sooner rather than later they will have an effect. In addition, the midterm elections will change that outlook if the Democrats take the House and you know this market is always about anticipating the future and that kind of anticipation could trigger selling.

Having said that, there is really no way for you or me to predict when the market will stop. Nonetheless, my opinion is sooner rather than later.
 
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It's gone way up. At some point it's going to come down. Now pay me $100 for my brilliant insight.

I shorted TXN a few weeks ago and made about an 8% profit in less than 8 days. I re-shorted the stock last week and I am already up about 6% on the trade as of today.

Pay me $30 a month and I will personally give you more trades like this.
 
I shorted TXN a few weeks ago and made about an 8% profit in less than 8 days. I re-shorted the stock last week and I am already up about 6% on the trade as of today.

Pay me $30 a month and I will personally give you more trades like this.
How much is your newsletter? :roll:

Sent from my HTC phone. Instaurare omnia in Christo.
 
$30 a month

I think I'll stick with Charlie Buelle's newsletters, $10k per month, weekly letters, average return for subscribers 18% annually on investments. Only a 4 year wait for new subscribers, unless a current subscriber kicks the bucket.
 
I think I'll stick with Charlie Buelle's newsletters, $10k per month, weekly letters, average return for subscribers 18% annually on investments. Only a 4 year wait for new subscribers, unless a current subscriber kicks the bucket.


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*coughs*......nearby people swear they hear “bull****!”

Come visit, I'll show you how a 20%er can live. Tho my accountant says I'm a 5%er. I try to live frugally, not be too ostentatious. Of course with your successful investing experience you'll have no trouble explaining the differences between frontier graphing with correlation graphing, the benefits and pitfalls of both when portfolio planning or modification is commencing. You know, simple stuff. I admit I get confused between the two, but then investing is only a entertaining avocation for me. Let's hear what the real professional, you, has to say. I'm always looking to learn from a more successful investor. I have no doubt Charlie would also enjoy hearing your expertise displaying superior investment logic and trend analysis.

BTW, what do think of target adherence?
 
Come visit, I'll show you how a 20%er can live. Tho my accountant says I'm a 5%er. I try to live frugally, not be too ostentatious. Of course with your successful investing experience you'll have no trouble explaining the differences between frontier graphing with correlation graphing, the benefits and pitfalls of both when portfolio planning or modification is commencing. You know, simple stuff. I admit I get confused between the two, but then investing is only a entertaining avocation for me. Let's hear what the real professional, you, has to say. I'm always looking to learn from a more successful investor. I have no doubt Charlie would also enjoy hearing your expertise displaying superior investment logic and trend analysis.

BTW, what do think of target adherence?


I’ll come visit if you promise to make pizza in your 200 year old Belgian oven........deal?
 
I’ll come visit if you promise to make pizza in your 200 year old Belgian oven........deal?

I don't make pizza, but I will make you food far better than pizza, and healthier to eat. Just name your preference, meat, fowl or fish. Tonight, turkey tenderloin medallions, marinated in plain yogurt, with garlic, sliced leeks, and tamarind, roasted for 15 minutes at 500 degrees, sides of whipped yams with apple cider and blueberries, with toasted almonds on top, a watercress and tomato salad dressed in a simple vinaigrette, peach and mango cobbler for desert. All except the salad from the Belgian oven. And remember, it is only part of the original oven, cut down for size and modified with modern switches, burners, a gas system for what was once coal, a grill on the stovetop and new porcelain. I didn't have room for a 20 burner, 8 oven, 4 broiler monster more than 28' long. 5.6', 2 ovens with broilers underneath, 6 burners and a grill has been more than sufficient.

Keep in mind these stove were part of the heating systems, if not the heating system. Grand Manor Houses, Villas, and so forth needed these immense systems for more than cooking. Think about homes built to entertain 100's as dinner guests. Belgium was famous for its cast iron works for centuries, and not just stoves, but cannons, fencing, lattices, cauldrons, pots, pans, skillets, washtubs and much more. The restored re-porcelained lion foot cast iron bathtub made in Pittsburgh, that is in our bathroom is the real reason my wife married me.

Now please do tell about the underlying finance knowledge you have that underlies that "“bull****!”" detector you claim speaks for many.

BTW, did you see anything in the forum rules indicating a prohibition of wealth?
 
I don't make pizza, but I will make you food far better than pizza, and healthier to eat. Just name your preference, meat, fowl or fish. Tonight, turkey tenderloin medallions, marinated in plain yogurt, with garlic, sliced leeks, and tamarind, roasted for 15 minutes at 500 degrees, sides of whipped yams with apple cider and blueberries, with toasted almonds on top, a watercress and tomato salad dressed in a simple vinaigrette, peach and mango cobbler for desert. All except the salad from the Belgian oven. And remember, it is only part of the original oven, cut down for size and modified with modern switches, burners, a gas system for what was once coal, a grill on the stovetop and new porcelain. I didn't have room for a 20 burner, 8 oven, 4 broiler monster more than 28' long. 5.6', 2 ovens with broilers underneath, 6 burners and a grill has been more than sufficient.

Keep in mind these stove were part of the heating systems, if not the heating system. Grand Manor Houses, Villas, and so forth needed these immense systems for more than cooking. Think about homes built to entertain 100's as dinner guests. Belgium was famous for its cast iron works for centuries, and not just stoves, but cannons, fencing, lattices, cauldrons, pots, pans, skillets, washtubs and much more. The restored re-porcelained lion foot cast iron bathtub made in Pittsburgh, that is in our bathroom is the real reason my wife married me.

Now please do tell about the underlying finance knowledge you have that underlies that "“bull****!”" detector you claim speaks for many.

BTW, did you see anything in the forum rules indicating a prohibition of wealth?

*coughs again!*:2wave:
 
I am sure that this is going to get way too technical... I just want to know how to to position myself in another .com crash.
 
I am sure that this is going to get way too technical... I just want to know how to to position myself in another .com crash.

If you can't afford to lose, don't make the bet.

You want relatively safe bets, plumbing supplies. Toilets always need fixing. No glory returns, but relatively safe.
 
I shorted TXN a few weeks ago and made about an 8% profit in less than 8 days. I re-shorted the stock last week and I am already up about 6% on the trade as of today.

Pay me $30 a month and I will personally give you more trades like this.

I took profits today on my TXN short. I shorted the stock at 115.52 and covered those today at 105.34, That is another 9% profit in 3 weeks. As such and on my TXN trades, I have made a 15% profit in a matter of 1 month, which would be about a 180% profit over a period of a year.

Not bad, especially in a trade that goes against the direction of the market, which is up.
 
This doesn't seem to be a potential problem right now given that inflation is where the Fed wants it to be and it is unlikely they will be aggressive in raising rates. So what could be the trigger for a fall now? It is without a doubt the Trade War. Trade Wars are never positive for the market but right now the traders have been ignoring it given that it started only 2 months ago and no official feedback of the negatives have come out. Nonetheless, next week the ISM Index and Jobs reports come out and it is said the Tariffs have been causing job loss and if that starts to be reflected in the numbers, it could be the trigger for profit taking and a domino-like down move.

Comments welcome

I subscribe to the Chaos Theory of Economic Disaster. ;) If you keep piling grains of sand, eventually you'll start a chain reaction and get a cascade. Which grain will cause it is anyone's guess. Personally, my vote goes to the tens of trillions of dollars worth of debt that's fueled speculation in assets such as real estate and stocks, thanks to cheap money. We didn't learn our lesson from the last crisis. I mean, the average car now sells for more than $36,000, with car payments of over $500 per month for five or six years. What happens to auto sales when the cost of financing goes up? Presumably, they go down. And how about home values? Do trees grow to the sky? It's starting to look that way to some people. Do incomes grow to the sky, too? I haven't seen that yet, at least among the mortals. Most of us manage to live as we've done for the past couple of decades--on $60k a year or thereabouts.
 
First of all, let me give you may credentials regarding the Stock Market. I started in the business in 1977 as a trader in the commodities market. I then shifted to trading stocks in 1984. I worked for Merrill Lynch, Prudential-Bache and Dean Witter and was a broker/analyst. I was even one of the official tech analysts while at Prudential-Bache, giving technical advice on the markets.

I left the industry in 1988 to form a company with my ex-wife that was not associated with the market at all. We were very successful but that finished in 1998 when we got divorced. In 2005 I started trading again and since 2007 I have been offering a chart service to investors that is based on Charts and Moving Averages. With that service, I have shown a net result at the end of the year of a 67% return on investment. I have also shown 9 profitable years and only 2 losing years.

I am a trader and everything I do in the market is based on charts. I do not look at the fundamentals, believing that the charts reflect what the people-in-the-know are doing. I follow the money because those people know more fundamentals than I do and the charts usually reflect what is likely to happen.

Having said that, this thread is about the market being about as high as it can go. Just last month AAPL reached a valuation of over $1 trillion dollars and that has never happened before in the history of the market. In addition, AMZN has a PE ratio of over 325 and considering that what is normal are PE ratios of about 15, it can be considered hugely overpriced.

The NASDAQ and the Tech Sector have been leading the way, much like the Dot.com era did in 1999. The NAZ has gone up from 1265 to this week's high at 8119, much like it did between 1987 and 2000 when it went from 228 to 5132.

The economy is doing well and the tax cuts and deregulation that occurred under Trump has made the market continue higher.

Today, I checked on what was the reason that the NAZ collapsed in the year 2000, having gone from 5132 to 3042 in just 8 weeks and I was surprised to find that it was not bad news that caused the drop but the opposite......good news. Here is the explanation I got from a Google search regarding the fall in the year 2000:

"The Nasdaq fell more than 25 percent this week, trouncing the 19 percent fall that began Oct. 21, 1987, Black Monday. Friday's plunge came after the government said prices at the consumer level showed surprising strength last month, triggering fears that the Federal Reserve may raise interest rates more aggressively".

This doesn't seem to be a potential problem right now given that inflation is where the Fed wants it to be and it is unlikely they will be aggressive in raising rates. So what could be the trigger for a fall now? It is without a doubt the Trade War. Trade Wars are never positive for the market but right now the traders have been ignoring it given that it started only 2 months ago and no official feedback of the negatives have come out. Nonetheless, next week the ISM Index and Jobs reports come out and it is said the Tariffs have been causing job loss and if that starts to be reflected in the numbers, it could be the trigger for profit taking and a domino-like down move.

Comments welcome

I agree the only black clouds I see on the horizon would be a long trade war. That would have a significant impact on consumer goods and cause a cascade effect. The market will not take much for people to start taking their profits. Once it comes it will come quickly but may not last too long....as far as bear markets go....if the trade war goes away
 
This doesn't seem to be a potential problem right now given that inflation is where the Fed wants it to be and it is unlikely they will be aggressive in raising rates.

What???? rates have been way way low for 10 years meaning that money has been forced into the stock market which accordingly is at 40% above its historical averages. This means there is huge risk right now as Fed raises rates in response to an overheating economy and risks a collapse of stock market. 1+1=2
 
What???? rates have been way way low for 10 years meaning that money has been forced into the stock market which accordingly is at 40% above its historical averages. This means there is huge risk right now as Fed raises rates in response to an overheating economy and risks a collapse of stock market. 1+1=2

As long as earnings continue to improve, the risk of a collapse is small due to rising interest rates.

I do believe that sometime in the near future the market will generate a big correction, but that is not likely to happen now unless earnings reports start to show weakness. Earnings have gone 25% over the past year but the market is only up 10% over the same period of time, meaning the bulls have not been all that aggressive and no bubble exists right now.
 
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As long as earnings continue to improve, the risk of a collapse is small due to rising interest rates.

I do believe that sometime in the near future the market will generate a big correction, but that is not likely to happen now unless earnings reports start to show weakness. Earnings have gone 25% over the past week but the market is only up 10% over the same period of time, meaning the bulls have not been all that aggressive and no bubble exists right now.

Much of the corporate tax cuts were previously priced into the market. Once the initial phase of the tax cuts passes, earnings growth will fall back into line with the historic norm.
 
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