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Farm subsidies?


Cana group member please explain or link me to an explanation of the current method for federal price supports of agricultural commodities?

I've been browsing through the 1946 – 1952volume of Truman's autobiographies and I read his too brief explanation of the then Secretary of Agriculture Charles Brannan'sproposed price support method. I understood his reasoning for pegging all other of farm those commodities to the price of corn. I currently don't wish to discuss that reasoning.

I'm interested in his goal to provide payments sufficient for smaller sized farms rather than providing for large-scale agricultural “factories”.
How could the federal government administer those payments to prevent large landowners from sub-dividing their acreage in manners as to qualify each sub-division to its full extent of federal benefits? Isn't in comparatively simple to conceal commercial association between individual landowners or individual enterprises leasing or owning farmland?


Respectfully, Supposn
 
No, but I can tell you a joke.

Why did the farmer put up a second mailbox?

So he could double his subsidies
 
I'm Supposn said:
Farm subsidies?


Cana group member please explain or link me to an explanation of the current method for federal price supports of agricultural commodities?

I've been browsing through the 1946 – 1952 volume of Truman's autobiographies and I read his too brief explanation of the then Secretary of Agriculture Charles Brannan's proposed price support method. I understood his reasoning for pegging all other of farm those commodities to the price of corn. I currently don't wish to discuss that reasoning.

I'm interested in his goal to provide payments sufficient for smaller sized farms rather than providing for large-scale agricultural “factories”.
How could the federal government administer those payments to prevent large landowners from sub-dividing their acreage in manners as to qualify each sub-division to its full extent of federal benefits? Isn't in comparatively simple to conceal commercial association between individual landowners or individual enterprises leasing or owning farmland?


Respectfully, Supposn
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What search terms and/or reference sources have you consulted on your own to obtain the information you seek?

Red:
Given the dichotomy between your "red" remark about method" and your prose that seems to solicit qualitative existential justification for the subsidies, it's not clear to me that You may find what you want in the narrative or linked documents here:

Blue:
Are you asking about the nature and extent of "loopholes" in the current Farm Bill provisions? If so, for the most part, yes, it's "comparatively simple" for large agricultural corporations and other well heeled agricultural concerns to obtain subsidies that are contextually intended to abet "the little guy."


 
Xelor said:
What search terms and/or reference sources have you consulted on your own to obtain the information you seek?

Red:
Given the dichotomy between your "red" remark about method" and your prose that seems to solicit qualitative existential justification for the subsidies, it's not clear to me that You may find what you want in the narrative or linked documents here:

Blue:
Are you asking about the nature and extent of "loopholes" in the current Farm Bill provisions? If so, for the most part, yes, it's "comparatively simple" for large agricultural corporations and other well heeled agricultural concerns to obtain subsidies that are contextually intended to abet "the little guy."


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Xelor, I asked for help because I'm unfamiliar with the farming industry. Everything I've tried to read has terms and refers to programs that have meaning only to those in the industry.

Referring for example to the first of the links you provided: With no other introduction, the text refers to the “average crop revenue elective”, (i.e. “ACRE”) program. I imagine administrating this system for all those landowners who elect to use this method of crop subsidy is not simple.
I suppose those particular farmers or landowners that elected to participate in the ACRE program, report their land's crop revenues to the government? I suppose the government has some methods to confirm the acreage and the entire revenues derived from those acreages? That seems precisely what I wish to understand.

That seems similar to the questions that occurred to me when I read of the Truman's administration's proposed Brannan plan for only directly supporting the revenues of lesser sized farms. I don't suppose, but it's conceivable that “ACRE” could be similar to the Brannan Plan?

I'm looking for simpler explanations for those of us unfamiliar with the agricultural industry.

The wording of your post is bombastic. I may be wrong, but you seem to imply you're aware of my opinions regarding price subsidies for agricultural commodities? If that's true, please let me know what have I concluded regarding the topic. I'd also like to know if I've come to any conclusions in these matters.

Respectfully, Supposn
 
I'm Supposn said:
Xelor, I asked for help because I'm unfamiliar with the farming industry. Everything I've tried to read has terms and refers to programs that have meaning only to those in the industry.

Referring for example to the first of the links you provided: With no other introduction, the text refers to the “average crop revenue elective”, (i.e. “ACRE”) program. I imagine administrating this system for all those landowners who elect to use this method of crop subsidy is not simple.

I suppose those particular farmers or landowners that elected to participate in the ACRE program, report their land's crop revenues to the government? I suppose the government has some methods to confirm the acreage and the entire revenues derived from those acreages? That seems precisely what I wish to understand.

That seems similar to the questions that occurred to me when I read of the Truman's administration's proposed Brannan plan for only directly supporting the revenues of lesser sized farms. I don't suppose, but it's conceivable that “ACRE” could be similar to the Brannan Plan?

I'm looking for simpler explanations for those of us unfamiliar with the agricultural industry.

The wording of your post is bombastic. I may be wrong, but you seem to imply you're aware of my opinions regarding price subsidies for agricultural commodities? If that's true, please let me know what have I concluded regarding the topic. I'd also like to know if I've come to any conclusions in these matters.

Respectfully, Supposn
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Red:
If I'm were unclear about aspects of the ACRE program and how it's administered, I'd use Google to search for the desired info or for an alternative means of obtaining it.

Insofar as I'm no expert on the Farm Bill -- I can research it, but I don't just "inside out" know it and how it's been implemented -- I highlighted the text "average crop revenue elective" on the webpage (I use the Chrome browser), right-clicked on the highlighted passage, and choose the "Google for" option. That provided me with several links, some of which are below.
If nothing I read there suitably answers my question, I'd Google for "Average Crop Revenue Election verification procedures," which I did. That search returned this result: Agreed-Upon Procedures – Farm Service Agency Average Crop Revenue Election Program. Upon looking at the title it became immediately obvious to me (at a high level) how the program is administered.
  • As the program name indicates, the insurance coverage the program provides is based on a farmer electing to participate in the program and on the farmer's declarations about the nature of his operations.
  • Periodically, the USDA conducts audits wherein it uses standard audit procedures and methodologies to review the records pertaining to the ACRE program participants (insurance recipients, insurer(s)/payment disbursers, claims, etc.).
To confirm the suppositions described in the preceding two bullets, I Googled "how to obtain average crop revenue election program coverage." That yielded several additional results that detail the workings of the program. Quickly scanning those documents, I see that the basic methodology the USDA uses to administer the ACRE program my be aptly described as "trust and verify." Were I desirous of something more than that, I'd contact the program administration office and ask directly, which, frankly, if I were truly that interested to know "whatever" about a government program, is likely what I'd have done from the start.

Teal:
I have no idea what be your opinions about the Farm Subsidy legislation and programs resulting from it. Hell, I don't know that you even have formed any opinions.

I can't say that I recall having interacted with you, but that doesn't mean I haven't. I simply don't pay much attention to members' IDs/avatars, the exception being when they engage with me on an recurring enough basis that the quality of their remarks strikes me as being particularly thoughtful or particularly inane. After all, everyone here is a stranger to me and I to them; I'm just not going to notice and remember anyone here unless they strike me in a positive way much like that of folks in the "real world" who obtain my attention.

You asked for input about how to obtain information, I wasn't entirely sure of what you sought (which I stated clearly in my prior post), and I provided links to the content of which I was aware and that I thought might contain the information you seek.

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