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Dow Stocks Index

Corporate earning falling short of expectations. Eventually people are going to figure out there is no way to fake it til you make it with these inflated PE's being thrown up.
 
The DOW has yet to recover from its slide that began in late January. We're four months into this now.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
It's up for the year!
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Not a good data set. There is is a remarkably clear point in time when the DOW shifted from steady growth to variable decline. A reasonable interpretation of the data must split the data at that point.
 
Phys251 said:
Not a good data set. There is is a remarkably clear point in time when the DOW shifted from steady growth to variable decline. A reasonable interpretation of the data must split the data at that point.
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Yea I know because it went up for the year!! Sigh.............. Let take the data set for just today and you can say it's down. :lamo
 
Common Sense 1 said:
It's up for the year!
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It's down for the calendar year.

It's up if you go back far enough to include months which captured the momentum which was in place when Trump came into office.

But now that Trump has firmly put his stamp on the economy, and reinforced it with multiple shocking announcements which his team begged him not to make, we are down for the current calendar year.

And Trump keeps saying stupid stuff to shake it up.

Because he loves a good trade war, don't you know. (But mostly he loves the attention -- that definitely matters more to him than your retirement fund.) And he makes his biggest profits in a down economy. And he knows that people like you will keep defending him no matter what. So the question is, "will support from the richest stockholders and the poorest Trump sycophants be enough to keep Trump's party in power?"

We'll know soon.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
Yea I know because it went up for the year!! Sigh.............. Let take the data set for just today and you can say it's down. :lamo
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What gives you the authority on how to properly interpret data? When time-based data are clearly doing one thing over one period of time, and then the trend suddenly and swiftly shifts, then proper data analysis requires splitting the data at that point. Sometimes the split isn't so clear, but this on is so obvious that it almost looks like a contrived example you'd find in a textbook. Yet it's real!

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This isn't advanced analytics. Hell this isn't even college-level stuff. This is basic common sense that a middle school math class would cover in a unit on statistics.
 
Cardinal said:
The Dow is now officially no better than if we had continued the same upward trend under Obama for the year 2016.
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Prior to the tax-cuts, equities moved higher in anticipation of the cuts. After the cuts, equities have fallen roughly ten percent.
 
Are you people in the market?

Do you own equities?

Or is this just a bash thread on markets moving up and down?

If a serious thread on equities, we can talk. I can point to a number of overpriced ones to sell if you own. And underpriced o es to buy....

If not, see ya....
 
gdgyva said:
Are you people in the market?

Do you own equities?

Or is this just a bash thread on markets moving up and down?

If a serious thread on equities, we can talk. I can point to a number of overpriced ones to sell if you own. And underpriced o es to buy....

If not, see ya....
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Nobody is required to hold a prerequisite number of shares set by you before they're allowed to participate in this thread.
 
Cardinal said:
Nobody is required to hold a prerequisite number of shares set by you before they're allowed to participate in this thread.
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That isn’t what I said is it

Is this a real thread to talk about equities?

Or a bash thread

One would make an interesting conversation....the other, not interested
 
gdgyva said:
That isn’t what I said is it

Is this a real thread to talk about equities?

Or a bash thread

One would make an interesting conversation....the other, not interested
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I've been investigating in stocks since I was 26 and have usually beaten the S&P 500 trading in and out. I must admit, I missed the 2017 rally for my mutual funds because I couldn't see how a 2-3% gain in GDP translates into a 20-25% increase in the value of stocks. (I still held AAPL and did well.) I was wrong during that period but think this is now a seller's market. As I write this (10:25AM est 5/3/2018), the DOW is off -273.95-1.15% at, 23,651.03. I've been sounding the sell signal to friends since DOW 26,000.

My view is that the combination of expected inflation; future Fed rate hikes; people in charge (see: Kevin Hassett DOW 36,000) who have no appreciation about trade or anything else) is bearish for stocks. Add to that the risk of corporate debt, which has risen to record highs.
 
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MTAtech said:
I've been investigating in stocks since I was 26 and have usually beaten the S&P 500 trading in and out. I must admit, I missed the 2017 rally for my mutual funds because I couldn't see how a 2-3% gain in GDP translates into a 20-25% increase in the value of stocks. (I still held AAPL and did well.) I was wrong during that period but think this is now a seller's market. As I write this (10:25AM est 5/3/2018), the DOW is off -273.95-1.15% at, 23,651.03. I've been sounding the sell signal to friends since DOW 26,000.

My view is that the combination of expected inflation; future Fed rate hikes; people in charge (see: Kevin Hassett DOW 36,000) who have no appreciation about trade or anything else) is bearish for stocks. Add to that the risk of corporate debt, which has risen to record highs.
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not bullish...not bearish...at least right now

we have seen enough of a correction to where i am a bit more comfortable

but we have a LOT of equities priced to the moon....selling at 40, 50, 60x next years earnings

that is rarified air....and very few companies should EVER carry those multiples

then you have a number of beaten down equities...the DOGS

have they turned the proverbial corner....is there a rosier picture down the road?

GE is a great example....went from upper 30's to around 12 bucks a share....the prior CEO screwed the pooch in so many ways, and it will take time for them to totally turn it around....but i bought 2500 at 12.5 recently, and plan on holding it for at least 5-8 years

There are bargains if one looks....i dont recommend individual equities for most people....they dont spend the time and effort reading the all the corporate reports....most people dont have time

i have approx 40% of my portfolio in individual equities, and the rest in ETF's
 
GE just warned that it's sub prime mortgage division may file for bankruptcy. There is a good reason it dove.
 
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