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This Is Why Rent Is So High

So the financially sound thing to do should be to sell the property to someone would better utilize the site. The tax write off only encourages speculation and drives up costs for everyone else.

Finding a buyer can be very hard when the property needs vast injections of $$ to be of any use to anyone, especially if the neighborhood has gone to **** in the meantime.

It's complicated... and why more people lose their shirt playing with real estate, than make out like bandits.
 
So one thing the owner has in spades is RISK. The renter has his problems, the landlord has his own.

Landowning has practically no risk, which is why landowners in the city can sit on a vacant site for years without selling/renting. It is one of the few investments where you get an almost guaranteed return due to population growth and infrastructure.
 
Finding a buyer can be very hard when the property needs vast injections of $$ to be of any use to anyone, especially if the neighborhood has gone to **** in the meantime.

I would bet they’d have no trouble finding a buyer if the site tax was high enough


It's complicated... and why more people lose their shirt playing with real estate, than make out like bandits.

If they are losing their money in real estate it would be more likely due to poor capital investment, not site speculation.
 
The video verifies that increased wages will contribute to a higher cost of living for all -- so, that should tell those who favor forced increased minimum wages that they'll just be creating a vicious cycle of inflation and higher rent.

Good video for opposing minimum wage increases. ;)

The ratio would remain the same if wages were .50 cents an hour. The ratio is the problem. Have you ever wondered why the price of a new car is always about what you make in a year? Or why a home is always over ten times or more of what you make? That's a calculus that remains constant.
 
That's because for most Americans it's the only way it's financially feasible to buy real property.

Absolutely.

If it's one's personal residence, or a rental property that can or will soon carry itself, they're usually a great investment when chosen wisely and in a normal appreciating real-estate market. And if they were smart enough to take a sane mortgage, they will indeed eventually own their property free & clear.

I am not saying it isn't a great investment. Mark Twain was absolutely right when he said, "Buy land, they're not making it anymore." I take issue with how our system encourages site speculation. It has been a major factor in the wealth gap. Look at how those who already have the capital bought up the properties cheap during the recession, only to turn around and rent them out to those who used to buy.

I've done the rent-vs-buy calculation ad-nauseaum when I was starting-out in life, and as long as your intention is to stay in the place for a long time - the numbers always sided with 'buy'.

I agree, buying is almost always better than renting. Do you think most people rent because that is their preference?
 
I agree, buying is almost always better than renting. Do you think most people rent because that is their preference?

A great many people prefer renting. My sister is one of them. She could afford to buy many houses, but likes to rent. She doesn't have to worry if things break, the roof needs replacing, etc, and she is not straddled to one place.
 
A great many people prefer renting. My sister is one of them. She could afford to buy many houses, but likes to rent. She doesn't have to worry if things break, the roof needs replacing, etc, and she is not straddled to one place.

I get that. However, I think if given the financial opportunity to buy or rent, most renters would buy.
 
Landowning has practically no risk, which is why landowners in the city can sit on a vacant site for years without selling/renting. It is one of the few investments where you get an almost guaranteed return due to population growth and infrastructure.


I can't really say I have any experience in owning land in the city. I was never interested; the taxes are typically very high, the regulations and requirements rather stringent (read expen$ive) and you're subject to frequent changes by city council or bureaucrats with the co$ts associated with same.

But I have studied real estate, owned real estate, and had friends who were landlords. To say there is no risk in land ownership is false. If you're getting $0 income from a property but still paying taxes and compliance costs, let alone mortgage payments, you're in a negative cash flow situation. Every owner has a limit to how much negative cash flow they can withstand before they become desperate to get rid of the property, even if it means letting the government take it for back taxes.

Maybe things are different in Jersey and Chicago, land o' corruption, but I wouldn't know I stay away from them.

Land values fluctuate. While it is true that, over the long term property values tend to rise, there can be short-to-medium term drops in local property values that can put a real bind on owners in the area.

If a neighborhood goes into decline (crime, poverty, etc) and property values fall, this can be a problem. If you own 50 units (@ 1440/mo rent ech) in Fallen On Hard Times Ville, and your mortgage plus expenses plus taxes are $60,000 a month on them; but people are leaving the area in droves, your occupancy is way down and you've had to offer deep discounts to get/keep ANY renters... let's say you're only renting 70% of units and at a 20% discount, you've got $40,320 income and you're losing 19,680 a month... most owners who aren't huge national-scale corporations can't sustain that level of loss indefinitely.

Unless you're a giant corporation with lots of pull in City Hall, you can't make the police put in extra effort to clean the neighborhood up; you can't make the people living in FOHTVille stop dealing meth and shooting at each other; and you can't afford to drop a couple million in improvements to attract more/better renters if things might continue to slide downhill.

You'd have to be able to afford to suffer that big monthly loss for a very long time before the "land always rises" principle paid off, and many landlords could not afford to.


Now obviously smart investors try to choose wisely and avoid such situations, but things like that can and do happen.
 
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The ratio would remain the same if wages were .50 cents an hour. The ratio is the problem. Have you ever wondered why the price of a new car is always about what you make in a year? Or why a home is always over ten times or more of what you make? That's a calculus that remains constant.

You've got that completely backwards.

New cars run the gamut from 16K to 90K, excluding high-end luxury cars. People buy what they can afford.

House costs are even more fluid in price, but there's a good reason why you probably think they cost about 10X your annual salary -- it has to do with lender practices. There's a little thing called Income-to-Debt ratio that tells a lender how much you can afford (monthly) to pay on a mortgage. That, too, however, is up to you -- if you buy a new 4X4 diesel before you start house-hunting, you're going to be squeezed into a lower price bracket.

Wages drive the cost of living -- for the most part -- other things factor in, but wages are the biggest push.
 
You've got that completely backwards.

New cars run the gamut from 16K to 90K, excluding high-end luxury cars. People buy what they can afford.

House costs are even more fluid in price, but there's a good reason why you probably think they cost about 10X your annual salary -- it has to do with lender practices. There's a little thing called Income-to-Debt ratio that tells a lender how much you can afford (monthly) to pay on a mortgage. That, too, however, is up to you -- if you buy a new 4X4 diesel before you start house-hunting, you're going to be squeezed into a lower price bracket.

Wages drive the cost of living -- for the most part -- other things factor in, but wages are the biggest push.

You missed the point completely.
 
Quoting super villain Lex Luthor ( Superman 1)

Stocks may rise and fall,
Utilities and transportation's may collapse,
People are no dam good, but they will always need LAND,
And they will pay through the nose to get it.

After all there is only some much to go around..

djl
 
And thus we get socialist/communist revolutions.

Which is why the Steve's of the world ought to be more concerned about wealth inequality than they seem to be.
 
So basically, it's what we've known since we were kids? It's better to own, then rent? Sounds like it!

Thus, the rationale behind living "the American Dream". It's not about entrepreneurship although that's part of it. It's really about land (home) ownership.
 
The video verifies that increased wages will contribute to a higher cost of living for all -- so, that should tell those who favor forced increased minimum wages that they'll just be creating a vicious cycle of inflation and higher rent.

Good video for opposing minimum wage increases. ;)

Nice theory, but history has proven you wrong. The video doesn't verify anything, it's just a video, and it makes some assumptions that are fundamentally incorrect..
 
And fairly large chunks of cities sit vacant/idle/underutilized while people push outward seeking cheaper land leading to all the problems of sprawl. So the question is, how do we fix this problem without Soviet-style land confiscation/redistribution?




Depends on the tax, but I do agree that many taxes do get passed down.

I don't know that "sprawl" is a bad thing. It means that we chose to live and work on larger pieces of land rather than smaller pieces or high rise buildings. I don't want to live in a high rise, I like having my five acres just outside the city limits. I also like that there is a grocery store and multiple gas stations and eateries nearby. Sprawl is good.
 
The ratio would remain the same if wages were .50 cents an hour. The ratio is the problem. Have you ever wondered why the price of a new car is always about what you make in a year? Or why a home is always over ten times or more of what you make? That's a calculus that remains constant.

No it wouldn't.

Prices are set based on what the market will bear, and ratios change all the time. Milk is now half what it was five years ago, yet wages are up. Tshirts cost exactly what they did ten years ago despite the fact that wages are up. Gold fluxuates daily without regard to income. the cost of education and medical care has risen much faster than wages.

Overall, most things on average do not keep up with wages. If they did, we would all still be living the standard of living that we did two hundred years ago.

Sorry, but you are making a wrong assumption. Ratios change all the time.
 
And fairly large chunks of cities sit vacant/idle/underutilized while people push outward seeking cheaper land leading to all the problems of sprawl. So the question is, how do we fix this problem without Soviet-style land confiscation/redistribution?




Depends on the tax, but I do agree that many taxes do get passed down.

IDK, I do know that I have been struck with some building owners in Olympia who dont seem to care much if they are collecting rents, but to this point I dont understand what drives this.
 
2 out of 3 of my kids bought houses with a 15yr fixed/20% down before their 25th b-day... other kid lives in Seattle (and pays more in rent than her siblings pay in house payments).
Sounds like you raised 'em smart, buddy! :thumbs:
 
Nice theory, but history has proven you wrong. The video doesn't verify anything, it's just a video, and it makes some assumptions that are fundamentally incorrect..

My comment was tongue-in-cheek. I agree that the video makes incorrect assumptions.
 
Nice theory, but history has proven you wrong. The video doesn't verify anything, it's just a video, and it makes some assumptions that are fundamentally incorrect..

Which assumptions from the video would be incorrect?
 
I don't know that "sprawl" is a bad thing. It means that we chose to live and work on larger pieces of land rather than smaller pieces or high rise buildings. I don't want to live in a high rise, I like having my five acres just outside the city limits. I also like that there is a grocery store and multiple gas stations and eateries nearby. Sprawl is good.

No one said there should be a law against living in the country. In fact, if you love your five acres you should be opposed to sprawl as it leads to higher property taxes for you.

Sprawl leads to several problems including increase of infrastructure costs, more pollution, destruction of natural space, light pollution, etc.
 
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