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Does anyone know how business works!?

I don’t think supporters who are for Medicare for all or the socialism ideology is right for the United States Of America! They don’t really care about what happened in the socialist countries and, they cannot get access


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Business needs so learn that they depend on their employees and their employees depend on them.

absurd of course. under Republican capitalism if you don't provide the best jobs and products possible a competitor will and you will go bankrupt.
 
I believe that's an argument in favor of local variations in minimum wages..
if we care about workers we don't want a minimum wage law since it makes it illegal to hire anyone not worth the minimum wage thus making their wage $0.
 
Yes, I agree that makes a lot of sense. Though it's really about cost of living. E.g. New Orleans probably has half the cost of living of New York.

I believe that's an argument in favor of local variations in minimum wages. However, the key issue in my opinion is that MW ought to be set at a level that works for as much of the US as possible, and is indexed to inflation. No matter where you are in the US, if MW is not adjusted for inflation, then the purchasing power of the employees erode over time, and that's not good.

I agree that it should be set on a more broad-based. I am not sure about automatically indexing it for inflation though. Isn't that kind of what went wrong in the 70's indirectly when employers tried to stay ahead of inflation or at least keep p with it due to union contracts requiring it which then inflated things even more until we were at 20+% interest rates? I guess keeping low interest rates is a bigger priority for me because so many people carry so much debt already, that making it even more expensive to have new debt might drive consumption way down.
 
absurd of course. under Republican capitalism if you don't provide the best jobs and products possible a competitor will and you will go bankrupt.

That is certainly not true historically or even today. Paying the lowest possible wage is what maximizes profits and the employee's welfare is not part of the equation. It is short-sighted and leads to ruin. Lowering taxes on the top brackets is what caused the collapse of wage growth in the middle class while executives are now making nearly 300 times their workers salaries.

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I agree that it should be set on a more broad-based. I am not sure about automatically indexing it for inflation though. Isn't that kind of what went wrong in the 70's indirectly when employers tried to stay ahead of inflation or at least keep p with it due to union contracts requiring it which then inflated things even more until we were at 20+% interest rates? I guess keeping low interest rates is a bigger priority for me because so many people carry so much debt already, that making it even more expensive to have new debt might drive consumption way down.

Inflation is cause by demand exceeding supply. We have had a supply glut since before 2000. It will take a huge boost in real wages to change that and is very unlikely. Interest rates are driven by borrowing not inflation and that is likely to drive them up.
 
There is another factor here that I think takes the issues of minimum wages to a deeper level of cause-and-effect.

The fact is that when employers can lower employee compensation (be it in wages or benefits), the benefits of the lower cost are obvious and immediate. Cut salaries by 10% and a business brings that 10% straight to the profit line. However, now, overall, workers in the bottom of the economy, as a group, make less. This means this group has less money to spend. The extra money earned by medium to large businesses tends to fall into the pockets of fewer people with more money. This group spends less on consumption and directs more of the money into non-productive investments like speculation and other money-chasing-money schemes that do little to employ people.

So, cutting wages and benefits:

1) Causes an immediate increase in profits for companies
2) As salaries and benefits decline a long-term decrease in consumption ensues
3) Potential savings decreases, debt increases.

Now consider the opposite.

If wages or benefits increase, employers see an immediate increase in costs but increases in consumption are delayed as the money earned takes time to flow through the economy and back to employers. The amount of time depends on how new wages are spent. If new wages are used to repay credit cards or bank loans, the money does not stimulate the economy at all (with the exception of bank interest). If the money is saved, again this does little to stimulate the economy, though savings usually helps soften the next economic recession).

So adding to wages or benefits,

1) Results in imeadeate increase in costs to employers that they must pay without the immediate benefit of increased sales. The time it takes for increase salaries or the results of benefits to flow through the economy can vary greatly.
2) Long term, as people at the bottom become more capable to afford necessities, they can spend more on discretionary consumption.
3) Potential savings increases debt decreases.

The idea of higher wages resulting in higher prices is rooted in what has become a dogmatic position that shows shifting from one axis relative to another. It's an oversimplified model that's taught without an understanding of economic flows.

This model is the beginning of understanding, not the end. If you think that this model is adequate to describe wages as it relates to unemployment, you stopped learning economics too soon.

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Inflation is cause by demand exceeding supply. We have had a supply glut since before 2000.

1) if people demand 100 bananas and supply is 50 prices goes up, not inflation

2) if we had a supply glut, as you say, prices would go down yet we have had 2% inflation each year

you know nothing. Sorry
 
Interest rates are driven by borrowing not inflation and that is likely to drive them up.

interest rates are set by Federal reserve to keep inflation within target levels. Do you understand?
 
interest rates are set by Federal reserve to keep inflation within target levels. Do you understand?

Interest rates on our T-bills are set by the market not the Fed. Do you understand?
 
This group spends less on consumption and directs more of the money into non-productive investments like speculation and other money-chasing-money schemes that do little to employ people.
1) who cares we have 96% employment
2) people with extra money invest it in banks etc which in turn invest in houses cars educations businesses etc all of which create new employment and growth which is far more meaningful than simply churning the existing economy buying more food and cigarettes.

notice how I can defeat you with 5% of the words you need for your long meaningless rants
 
Interest rates on our T-bills are set by the market not the Fed. Do you understand?

the fed exists to set interest rates it buys and sell t bills to set interest rates. Econ 101 sorry. Where does one get the meglomania to speak with no qualifications whatsoever?
 
the fed exists to set interest rates it buys and sell t bills to set interest rates. Econ 101 sorry. Where does one get the meglomania to speak with no qualifications whatsoever?

You got shafted if you took Econ 101. T-bills prices are set by competitive auction not the Fed. Oh and printing money does not cause inflation, spending money does. It what you said was true inflation would be thru the roof since the Fed has "printed" tons of money since 2008. Yet T-bill and inflation rates have been very low. Inflation is caused by too many buyers chasing too few goods.

T-Bills purchased at auctions are priced through a bidding process. Bids are referred to as "competitive" or "non-competitive." A competitive bid sets a price at a discount from the T-Bill's par value, letting you specify the yield you wish to get from the T-Bill. Non-competitive bid auctions allow investors to submit a bid to purchase a set dollar amount of the Bills. The yield they receive is based upon the average auction price from all bidders.

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You got shafted if you took Econ 101. T-bills prices are set by competitive auction not the Fed.

fed controls auction price by buying and selling t bills. Econ 101 class one, day one. Where did Hitler get meglomania to speak with 100% authority when he knew nothing?


The Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC), a committee within the Federal Reserve System (the Fed), is charged under the United States law with overseeing the nation's open market operations (e.g., the Fed's buying and selling of United States Treasury securities).
 
fed controls auction price by buying and selling t bills. Econ 101 class one, day one. Where did Hitler get meglomania to speak with 100% authority when he knew nothing?


The Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC), a committee within the Federal Reserve System (the Fed), is charged under the United States law with overseeing the nation's open market operations (e.g., the Fed's buying and selling of United States Treasury securities).


So wait. I bet that in this econ class of yours they taught you that wages will rise through trickle down economics, am I right?

Is that the school where they taught you the Earth is only 6000 years old too? :lamo

They oughta be shot.
 
God the stupidity that comes from many right winger is astounding.

We are the richest country in the world, companies are making record profits, yet we have one of the highest poverty rates in the industrialized world, and so many people who have full time jobs that are still living in poverty. But tell us again how paying employees more wages is so terrible.

YOu know what else happens in business? When there are fewer and fewer consumers that can afford to by your product, your bottom line goes down.

Why do people think "oh, these companies are greedy so therefore we must allow them to exploit workers for garbage pay while their CEO and shareholders make millions a year" is an intelligent argument?
 
So you don't want to pay $3.95 for the cheeseburger?

I was listening to radio in the car today, so it would take some time to find a link...but scout's honor, it was reported that there is not ONE county in the US where 2 individuals working full time for minimum wage could afford a two bedroom apartment. So what do you think happens then? What do you think should happen then?

A minimum wage should have some connection to the minimum cost of a minimal lifestyle in the community. It should not be determined by corporate profit or what the market will bear in terms of low wages. JMO

And if every company paid better wages instead of their top people pocketing all the money, then everybody could care less about a $4 burger. Wages of all kinds are down, except of course for the people at the top.

This is why our country is going down the pooper
 
So wait. I bet that in this econ class of yours they taught you that wages will rise through trickle down economics, am I right?
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they taught that increases in wages and wealth from stone age forward came from increases in productivity (eg farm plow versus pick and shovel) and that increases in productivity came from the Republican supply of new inventions. Do you understand?
 
they taught that increases in wages and wealth from stone age forward came from increases in productivity (eg farm plow versus pick and shovel) and that increases in productivity came from the Republican supply of new inventions. Do you understand?

Bill Gates is a liberal. Sorry.
 
. But tell us again how paying employees more wages is so terrible.
who said it was terrible?? Trump got elected to do just that!! What planet have you been on???
 
they taught that increases in wages and wealth from stone age forward came from increases in productivity (eg farm plow versus pick and shovel) and that increases in productivity came from the Republican supply of new inventions. Do you understand?

So here is an econ 101 quiz question: in the gilded age, what finally got rid of exploitation of child labor by monopolists and factory owners?

a) leaving the market free some more
b) Child labor laws
 
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