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    Re: Conservatives VS Science VS Economics

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWonka View Post
    Studying the various economic systems of nations around the world shows us that countries with better social safety nets tend to have an overall better quality of life.
    absurd since a better social safety net costs lots of money. The only way to afford it is with lots capitalism and less safety net.

    also absurd since safety nets aren't comparable. You don't
    bounce off American safety net. It captures you and your family for generations so you will be dependent and vote Democratic.

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    Re: Conservatives VS Science VS Economics

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim the plumber View Post
    You will have to excuse my skepticism but lots of people claim to have lots of qualifications on the internet and it turns out that they don't have such things as a degree in atmospheric physics.

    So just to provide some evicence can you tell my why the jet stream moves as quickly as it does, what causes it? Thanks.
    I've met members, I've given members my real name. I don't care if you believe me, you'll remain a climate conspiracist no matter what; your self worth is vested in your fantasy. I don't post for you but the audience.

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    Re: Conservatives VS Science VS Economics

    Quote Originally Posted by Xerographica View Post
    Here's part of my Medium response to a conservative[/URL]...

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    Of course, in order to be a conservative, you must, by definition, have a natural aversion to science. Which is really strange given that one of the very best stories in the Bible is all about science. The Israelites werenít quite sure whether Baal or God was the real god. So Elijah devised a simple test. He would pray to God, the prophets of Baal would pray to Baal, and whichever god responded with fire would be the real god.

    Why did it matter whether Baal or God was the real god? It mattered because, if youíre going to make significant sacrifices to a god, you actually want even greater blessings in return. Otherwise, your sacrifices are simply a waste. The Bible isnít a fan of waste. Nobody is a fan of waste. Even liberals arenít a fan of waste. They hate getting ripped off just as much as the next person.

    Nowadays nobody who is truly anybody debates whether God or Allah or Shiva or Buddha is the real god. Instead, the significant people, the people who actually matter, such as the Nobel prize winners, debate whether the Visible Hand or the Invisible Hand is the real god.

    Do we get more blessings from the Visible Hand or from the Invisible Hand? Do we get more blessings when people decide for themselves how to spend their money or when that decision is made for them? This is the real question. But you really arenít asking it. Instead, youíre going on and on and on about things that are entirely irrelevant to reality.

    The reality is that we currently allow a small group of people (politicians) to spend a huge chunk of everybodyís money (taxes). This is the Visible Hand. Except, whereís the scientific support for the Visible Hand? There is none.

    Are you willing to test your belief in the Visible Hand? If not, then you have a very big problem. Because even the prophets of Baal were willing to test their belief in Baal. At least they were willing to scientifically determine how well their beliefs corresponded with reality. As the story goes, their beliefs were unfounded and they were all slaughtered.

    If your belief in the Visible Hand turns out to be unfounded then you really donít have to be worried about being slaughtered. Science has made some progress since the Bible days.
    I think it would be better if you just dumped the religious crap and talked about how liberals are mentally incapable of understanding supply and demand.
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    Re: Conservatives VS Science VS Economics

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWonka View Post
    Ummm.....yeah actually it's right here....

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nash_equilibrium

    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-cou...-life-rankings

    The Nash Equilibrium demonstrates that individuals making choices in their own best interest rarely achieve optimal results.

    Studying the various economic systems of nations around the world shows us that countries with better social safety nets tend to have an overall better quality of life.
    This is scientific support for the Visible Hand? Let's consider the example used in the movie... A Beautiful Mind. A bunch of buddies are at a bar. In walks a blonde with her brunette friends. The dudes all prefer the blonde. It is in their individual interest to pursue her. However, at most only one dude could win her affection. This isn't entirely true but we'll pretend it is. Because all the dudes can't get their preferred option (the blonde)... the losers won't just lose the blonde, they'll also lose all her friends, who felt snubbed that all the dudes pursued the blonde.

    All the dudes acting according to their self-interest results in an outcome that isn't in the group's best interest. But how closely does this reflect reality? When you go into a bar... are all the guys clustered around one gal? Of course not. While Nash's model might be mathematically sound, it has absolutely no bearing on reality. In reality people are all different. This means that we aren't all equally attracted to the same people. We aren't equally interested in the same food. We aren't all equally interested in discussing the same topic.

    Right now Netflix decides how all the subscription dollars are divided among all the different content. This is the Visible Hand. What would happen if it was replaced with the Invisible Hand? What would happen if subscribers could decide for themselves how they divide their own subscription dollars among all the content? Would all the subscribers spend their dollars on action movies? Of course not. Again, people are all different. This means that, sooner rather than later, the supply of content would be just as diverse as the demand for content.

    China used to have the Visible Hand in its private sector. Then, in 1978, it gradually started to replace it with the Invisible Hand. As a direct result, millions of people were lifted out of poverty. From my perspective this is solid evidence that the Invisible Hand is far superior to the Visible Hand. Yet, here the world is 40 years later, and every country still has the Visible Hand in its public sector. Evidently people need more evidence of the Invisible Hand's superiority. This is why Netflix should replace the Visible Hand with the Invisible Hand.

    If Netflix replaced with Visible Hand with the Invisible Hand, but the supply of content noticeably worsened, then this would provide the first scientific evidence in support of the Visible Hand. In other words, it would help refute/falsify my belief in the Invisible Hand.

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    Re: Conservatives VS Science VS Economics

    Originally Posted by Tim the plumber View Post
    You will have to excuse my skepticism but lots of people claim to have lots of qualifications on the internet and it turns out that they don't have such things as a degree in atmospheric physics.

    So just to provide some evicence can you tell my why the jet stream moves as quickly as it does, what causes it? Thanks.
    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I've met members, I've given members my real name. I don't care if you believe me, you'll remain a climate conspiracist no matter what; your self worth is vested in your fantasy. I don't post for you but the audience.

    Oh, and blue font...
    That will be a; no you have no clue about any physics at all then. OK.

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    Re: Conservatives VS Science VS Economics

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Best dogs are mutts. They are healthy, friendly and live forever but usually cost nothing, receive no votes and are rejected by "experts." OTOH, the worst dogs are pure breds. They are sick so often that they are a veterinarian's wet dream, cranky and dead by age-10. But yet, spenders spend on them, experts adore them and voters can't resist voting for them.

    Point being...what are you looking for?
    I'm looking for the best way to measure usefulness. Do you think that applause is the best way to measure usefulness?

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    Re: Conservatives VS Science VS Economics

    Most every conservative leaning person I know loves technology and the science involved.

    They could care less about a invisible hand when they pull up their texts on their iphone's.
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    Re: Conservatives VS Science VS Economics

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    That Bible story is not science or even empirical evidence. Does the OP know what science is?
    Only science can deliver miracles like the big bang.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RetiredUSN View Post
    Most every conservative leaning person I know loves technology and the science involved.

    They could care less about a invisible hand when they pull up their texts on their iphone's.
    Most engineers are conservatives. The lefties learn lesbian studies instead.

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    Re: Conservatives VS Science VS Economics

    Quote Originally Posted by SirGareth View Post
    Only science can deliver miracles like the big bang.
    In science, stuff we don't know is not a miracle, it's just stuff we don't know. I guess we could redefine "dunno" as "miracle", if that helps you.

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