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How does Libertarianism address the problem of systemic racism?

AtlantaAdonis

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The whole philosophy of Libertarianism is built on the idea that we can prosper if the government gets out of the way. But how will that address systemic racism? Systemic racism is ubiquitous and is entrenched in the lives of people of color from the time their born, all through their education, and in institutions like criminal justice and housing and such. There's nothing the free market can do to undo the massive structural inequities that our in our society.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
The whole philosophy of Libertarianism is built on the idea that we can prosper if the government gets out of the way. But how will that address systemic racism? Systemic racism is ubiquitous and is entrenched in the lives of people of color from the time their born, all through their education, and in institutions like criminal justice and housing and such. There's nothing the free market can do to undo the massive structural inequities that our in our society.
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Sure there is, militarized police depts, corporate for profit prisons with convict labor leasing and the return to profiteering from bondage with stocks traded on Wall Street and mass incarceration.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
The whole philosophy of Libertarianism is built on the idea that we can prosper if the government gets out of the way. But how will that address systemic racism? Systemic racism is ubiquitous and is entrenched in the lives of people of color from the time their born, all through their education, and in institutions like criminal justice and housing and such. There's nothing the free market can do to undo the massive structural inequities that our in our society.
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Please provide examples of what you consider "systemic racism" in our country today.

Having experienced institutional racism in my youth, I am curious to hear what you think constitutes such racism currently.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Please provide examples of what you consider "systemic racism" in our country today.

Having experienced institutional racism in my youth, I am curious to hear what you think constitutes such racism currently.
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University admissions.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
The whole philosophy of Libertarianism is built on the idea that we can prosper if the government gets out of the way. But how will that address systemic racism? Systemic racism is ubiquitous and is entrenched in the lives of people of color from the time their born, all through their education, and in institutions like criminal justice and housing and such. There's nothing the free market can do to undo the massive structural inequities that our in our society.
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In the justice system for example...

Treating people equally means just that...
Police In Florida used Mugshots of Black People for Target Practice.

Libertarians don't support the police blindly since the police are inherently a government entity that's not to be trusted. In fact, on the Crime + Justice front, Libertarians have the best answer because Dems and Reps both selectively want large police states. Police states have always traditionally targeted minorities unfairly.

The hardest to tackle is actually disparity in education which is tied indirectly to housing. Because local schools are paid for in large part by property taxes, schools in lower income areas while have disparities that can go on for generations.

I admit that there doesn't seem to be a good libertarian approach to tackle this front.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
University admissions.
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Judging from his listed "political lean" I don't think he is talking about "reverse discrimination," established as a result of Affirmative Action.

IMO I think he still considers that there is systemic racism against people of color. I could be wrong though, hence my request for examples.
 
reinoe said:
In the justice system for example...

Treating people equally means just that...
Police In Florida used Mugshots of Black People for Target Practice.

Libertarians don't support the police blindly since the police are inherently a government entity that's not to be trusted. In fact, on the Crime + Justice front, Libertarians have the best answer because Dems and Reps both selectively want large police states. Police states have always traditionally targeted minorities unfairly.

The hardest to tackle is actually disparity in education which is tied indirectly to housing. Because local schools are paid for in large part by property taxes, schools in lower income areas while have disparities that can go on for generations.

I admit that there doesn't seem to be a good libertarian approach to tackle this front.
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But the "disparity in education" issue is not systemic racism, as it affects everyone in the lower income brackets regardless of race. Poor White people (especially in rural areas like Appalachea) face the same problems.

There are also all sorts of arguments that have been made for how different classes are handled in the criminal justice system. However, while I concede that in this area there might be some issues, IMO this is more likely tied to differences in cultural expectations when dealing with the criminal justice system rather than purely being race based.
 
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AtlantaAdonis said:
The whole philosophy of Libertarianism is built on the idea that we can prosper if the government gets out of the way. But how will that address systemic racism? Systemic racism is ubiquitous and is entrenched in the lives of people of color from the time their born, all through their education, and in institutions like criminal justice and housing and such. There's nothing the free market can do to undo the massive structural inequities that our in our society.
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I address it by not engaging in racism on a personal, professional or social level. And I have taught my children to do the same.
 
Fledermaus said:
I address it by not engaging in racism on a personal, professional or social level. And I have taught my children to do the same.
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Cool story, bro. Even if I give you the benefit of the doubt that you're actually not racist (and not some right-winger who thinks he's not racist because he doesn't punch every black person he sees), that doesn't change society at large.

When you give people "liberteh" then they use that "liberteh" to discriminate, exclude, and be bigots.
 
reinoe said:
In the justice system for example...

Treating people equally means just that...
Police In Florida used Mugshots of Black People for Target Practice.

Libertarians don't support the police blindly since the police are inherently a government entity that's not to be trusted. In fact, on the Crime + Justice front, Libertarians have the best answer because Dems and Reps both selectively want large police states. Police states have always traditionally targeted minorities unfairly.

The hardest to tackle is actually disparity in education which is tied indirectly to housing. Because local schools are paid for in large part by property taxes, schools in lower income areas while have disparities that can go on for generations.

I admit that there doesn't seem to be a good libertarian approach to tackle this front.
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Funny thing is that you say they don't support the police blindly, yet here at DP all the self-described libertarians line up to do just that. Strangely, they also voted for Trump and never ever stray from the official line of the GOP.
 
Fledermaus said:
Your OPINION is noted.
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So this thread's premiss, I’m not sure, do self identifying “libertarians” have issues with systemic institutionalized racism in american society? I mean, perhaps it’s not an issue for them.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
Cool story, bro. Even if I give you the benefit of the doubt that you're actually not racist (and not some right-winger who thinks he's not racist because he doesn't punch every black person he sees), that doesn't change society at large.

When you give people "liberteh" then they use that "liberteh" to discriminate, exclude, and be bigots.
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You asked a question... I answered it.

And if more people do the same society at large DOES change.
 
Fenton Lum said:
So this thread's premiss, I’m not sure, do self identifying “libertarians” have issues with systemic institutionalized racism in american society? I mean, perhaps it’s not an issue for them.
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I have issues with ALL forms of racism....

I do what I can do.

But please. Tell me what I have to do to combat systemic institutionalized racism in American society....
 
rocket88 said:
Funny thing is that you say they don't support the police blindly, yet here at DP all the self-described libertarians line up to do just that. Strangely, they also voted for Trump and never ever stray from the official line of the GOP.
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Not this one.
 
Less systemic control = less opportunity for systemic racism.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Please provide examples of what you consider "systemic racism" in our country today.

Having experienced institutional racism in my youth, I am curious to hear what you think constitutes such racism currently.
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Ah. So not only do you stand firmly behind Trump, you also infer that there's no systemic racism in America today.

Cognitive dissonance indeed.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Less systemic control = less opportunity for systemic racism.
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Really, so if we privatize all education like Libertarians want, how are people of color going to have access to a good education. They can't get it as it is. Because of racist white flight and a lack of funding no good teachers will ever work in schools where people of color live.

"Liberteh" isn't going to help people of color get more opportunities or clean up their neighborhoods. "Liberteh" isn't going to fix the racism on the part of police, judges, and prosecutors.
 
Fledermaus said:
I have issues with ALL forms of racism....

I do what I can do.

But please. Tell me what I have to do to combat systemic institutionalized racism in American society....
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Why is it you require someone else to answer everything for you, to inform you and to plan your life out for you? Very "unlibertarian" isn't it?
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
Really, so if we privatize all education like Libertarians want, how are people of color going to have access to a good education. They can't get it as it is. Because of racist white flight and a lack of funding no good teachers will ever work in schools where people of color live.

"Liberteh" isn't going to help people of color get more opportunities or clean up their neighborhoods. "Liberteh" isn't going to fix the racism on the part of police, judges, and prosecutors.
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Oh it's not just folks of color, it's all unsubstantial people
 
Fenton Lum said:
Why is it you require someone else to answer everything for you, to inform you and to plan your life out for you? Very "unlibertarian" isn't it?
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I gave my answer... You didn't like it.

Tell me what I have to do to combat systemic institutionalized racism in American society (beyond changing society at a local level) ....
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
Really, so if we privatize all education like Libertarians want, how are people of color going to have access to a good education. They can't get it as it is. Because of racist white flight and a lack of funding no good teachers will ever work in schools where people of color live.

"Liberteh" isn't going to help people of color get more opportunities or clean up their neighborhoods. "Liberteh" isn't going to fix the racism on the part of police, judges, and prosecutors.
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Hmm... they can't get it as it is so don't dare change that system.
 
Fledermaus said:
I gave my answer... You didn't like it.

Tell me what I have to do to combat systemic institutionalized racism in American society (beyond changing society at a local level) ....
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You? Why you don't have to do anything at all, you've already decided all you will ever grow into.
 
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