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Anyone know why SILVER prices have been flat this week?

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This is my first thread, and i hope I opened it in the right section.
My question is about silver prices. I have done some mild investing in it and normally the price goes up and down like normal. Only this week the graph is as flat as a pancake. The price had been dropping considerably, but all this week it seems the price has been frozen. Of course if you do a search on the interwebs all you get is BUY, BUY, BUY, and other websites that hit you with popups and / or want your email address to actually give you an answer. I get enough spam already, so no thanks.

Then I remembered this place, and all the very intelligent people I met here, so why not ask here? True, most people only come here to fight and bicker, but those that come here to actually discuss situations are truly blessed with great insight and knowledge. It is you of whom I seek to answer this perplexing question.

Thank you.
 
This is my first thread, and i hope I opened it in the right section.
My question is about silver prices. I have done some mild investing in it and normally the price goes up and down like normal. Only this week the graph is as flat as a pancake. The price had been dropping considerably, but all this week it seems the price has been frozen. Of course if you do a search on the interwebs all you get is BUY, BUY, BUY, and other websites that hit you with popups and / or want your email address to actually give you an answer. I get enough spam already, so no thanks.

Then I remembered this place, and all the very intelligent people I met here, so why not ask here? True, most people only come here to fight and bicker, but those that come here to actually discuss situations are truly blessed with great insight and knowledge. It is you of whom I seek to answer this perplexing question.

Thank you.

People are probably hesitant to trade because of this: Silver plunges in yet another mysterious market 'flash crash' - CNBC
 
People are probably hesitant to trade because of this: Silver plunges in yet another mysterious market 'flash crash' - CNBC

I read the article. The market in silver, like gold, is not real metal deliverables, but paper trades. A few years back "naked short sales," paper sales of gold not necessarilly consumated dropped the market considerably. Governments are suspicious as being behind the "naked short sales' to prop up weak or threatened currencies. The USDollar has dropped abouot 5% and that should be good for exports, but represents a 5% loss in value to entities holding USDollars like banks etc. Threats of war, like the current NKorea embroglia, usually create worry and increase gold and silver values. The fact that these markets have become "paper" trades, not acutal movement of bullion, leave manipulation options possible. The most peculiar indicators in this market are that the USDollar and gold and silver are dropping. Usually, if the USDollar drops, gold and silver rise. Pro-active manipulation by a government could account for this activity. Perhaps computer trading, but I don't see how. China, India, and Russia are big time buyers of gold, ergo they should drive the price back up soon and it may even be an accelerated rise in price. Gold and silver are hard money/good money and "bad money drives out good" should return to play soon. Although all the fiat currency Central Banks will attempt to maintain the value of their paper holdings. Most people think their paper money is "good as gold." Delusional, don't ya' know? Fed, BOE, ECB, BIS, BOJ, IMF, World Bank all work together to "control" values and perhaps that is what we are observing. Real World answers.
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This is my first thread, and i hope I opened it in the right section.
My question is about silver prices. I have done some mild investing in it and normally the price goes up and down like normal. Only this week the graph is as flat as a pancake. The price had been dropping considerably, but all this week it seems the price has been frozen. Of course if you do a search on the interwebs all you get is BUY, BUY, BUY, and other websites that hit you with popups and / or want your email address to actually give you an answer. I get enough spam already, so no thanks.

Then I remembered this place, and all the very intelligent people I met here, so why not ask here? True, most people only come here to fight and bicker, but those that come here to actually discuss situations are truly blessed with great insight and knowledge. It is you of whom I seek to answer this perplexing question.

Thank you.

It's not a mystery.
The price of silver, like the price of any other commodity, is set by supply and demand.

When investors decide to buy silver as an investment, the demand goes up, and so does the price. When the price goes up, it looks like a good investment, so the demand goes up, and so does the price. It's a feedback loop.

Conversely, if the demand drops, so does the price, and therefore, the demand by the same sort of feedback loop.

If you want to make money investing in silver, you need to be able to predict which feedback loop is going to operate in the near future.

Good luck with that. Don't invest more than you can afford to lose.
 
It's not a mystery.
The price of silver, like the price of any other commodity, is set by supply and demand.

When investors decide to buy silver as an investment, the demand goes up, and so does the price. When the price goes up, it looks like a good investment, so the demand goes up, and so does the price. It's a feedback loop.

Conversely, if the demand drops, so does the price, and therefore, the demand by the same sort of feedback loop.

If you want to make money investing in silver, you need to be able to predict which feedback loop is going to operate in the near future.

Good luck with that. Don't invest more than you can afford to lose.

Supply and demand market effects are distorted by PAPER contracts for gold and silver. There can be a hundred times more paper contracts than actual gold availaable. If commodoties were all about deliverables, the supply and demand statement would be correct. Read about Naked Short Sales, and I think Paul Craig Roberts had a very good article about same.
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Silver like gold should be a hedge not a major investment as you are going to make money off of it.
that is a dangerous concept. If you read any major investor they will say not to have more than 10% of your
investment in PM's.

you could push it to 15 but any higher than that and you are at risk.

Gold and silver are commodities that have huge risk and high volatility.

out of the two gold is easier to hedge a bit than silver although silver is cheaper.
right now is a buy situation for silver but I wouldn't buy that much.

it won't still going up in price until we hit another recession.
 
Silver like gold should be a hedge not a major investment as you are going to make money off of it.
that is a dangerous concept. If you read any major investor they will say not to have more than 10% of your
investment in PM's.

you could push it to 15 but any higher than that and you are at risk.

Gold and silver are commodities that have huge risk and high volatility.

out of the two gold is easier to hedge a bit than silver although silver is cheaper.
right now is a buy situation for silver but I wouldn't buy that much.

it won't still going up in price until we hit another recession.

Don't forget to factor in trading costs. For how much can you actually find a buyer for that Maple Leaf? If you pay 110% of spot and sell for 90% for spot, you need a big movement before it's worthwhile.
 
Don't forget to factor in trading costs. For how much can you actually find a buyer for that Maple Leaf? If you pay 110% of spot and sell for 90% for spot, you need a big movement before it's worthwhile.

yep I learned my lesson in that a while back ago. I lost my butt in PM's. I will never do it again. I am paying for it big time. I can only warn other people.
I have 1 gold coin left and I don't think I will ever cover what I paid for it.

I did better on my silver coins.
 
Thank you all for your comments, but no one yet has explained exactly why the silver price has been completely FLAT. FLAT as a pancake. No movement at all.
Look at any chart you want to and you will see this last week there was no movement at all in its price for several days.
This is what I am asking an explanation about.
This is the reason for this thread, and this has yet to be answered.

I already know about all that other stuff mentioned, but no one can answer why the price has been locked / fixed for the past several days.
 
Thank you all for your comments, but no one yet has explained exactly why the silver price has been completely FLAT. FLAT as a pancake. No movement at all.
Look at any chart you want to and you will see this last week there was no movement at all in its price for several days.
This is what I am asking an explanation about.
This is the reason for this thread, and this has yet to be answered.

I already know about all that other stuff mentioned, but no one can answer why the price has been locked / fixed for the past several days.

Silver hs not been flat - it has been plummeting since early June.

I cannot say for certain why as PM's are often an emotional buy. Also, as Dave Fagan rightly pointed out above, the silver and gold paper markets are often not reflective of the physical markets. There have already been convictions of various institutions of deliberately manipulating the FOREX exchange in gold/silver.

But to answer you question, I believe that people are exiting gold/silver because the Fed is slowly raising rates and is indicating that they are going to shrink their huge balance sheet and the equity markets are still rising. The Fed raising rates is anti-PM's as raising rates is anti-inflation and PM's love inflationary pressures. And the fact that this is not (yet) hurting the equity markets is a theoretically positive sign...also anti-PM's.
I assume the PM markets are thinking 'hey, the Fed is unwinding and everything looks - more or less - good...guess we did not need PM's after all'.

This is why I think silver and gold are falling lately.

That is, of course, a big mistake as the Fed is just inching up rates and has still not begun to unwind their balance sheet. The fundamentals of the economy still stink and everything is running on hope and optomism...not solid fundamentals.

Thanks to the almost decade long ZIRP policy a MASSIVE amount of new debt has sprung up. ALL of it completely dependent on ultra cheap rates. WHen those rates go back to historical norms...those debt payments will become unmanageable and that is when we will see how strong the economy REALLY is.

Remember, the M2 Money Velocity has been falling hard almost ever since the Fed started ZIRP. and it is still falling and is presently at the lowest point on record:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2V

Yet, the economy is still growing.

That means that money is not changing hands (a traditional sign of economic growth) but the growth is coming from new money created from massive amounts of new, cheap debt.

Basically, the economy is growing on the basis of incredibly cheap loans...but that maybe ending. And when it does and works it's way throuigh the economy....that is when the problems will begin.


I have said it before, PM's are a roller coaster ride. They shoot up and crash down.

But their fundamentals are inflationary concerns and monetary instability. Both of those are still INCREDIBLY strongly in play. But right now, the markets want to believe everything is great...so they are.
It's like Tesla stock. The company has NEVER posted a profitable year in 13 and loses thousands on every car they sell...yet the stock keeps skyrocketing. Why...hope and ignorance. It's a feel good stock.
Over the last 10 years or so, the markets have gone almost completely away from fundamentals and embraced positive thinking and government/Fed stimulus. The same sort of illogic permeated the markets dring the dot.com and housing booms...and we all know what happened with those...and this one is MUCH bigger then both of those combined.


If you need the money you have in silver and are having trouble dealing with the ups and downs...maybe you should get out. I would not be surprised if silver drops a LOT more before it rises back up.

Will it rise again? I am positive it will. When will it? I have no idea.

But all this debt HAS to unwind sometimes. And the massive instability that brings should be wonderful for PM's.

But that could be years...even many years...away.
 
OK, I know you are right.
I made this thread because last week all the charts that are normally fluctuating were just a flat line.
I guess that means, as you say, they were just not getting any input and therefore had no data to input to their charts for the usual up and down.

Thank you all for your very informative and insightful answers.
 
OK, I know you are right.
I made this thread because last week all the charts that are normally fluctuating were just a flat line.
I guess that means, as you say, they were just not getting any input and therefore had no data to input to their charts for the usual up and down.

Thank you all for your very informative and insightful answers.

My pleasure.
 
This is my first thread, and i hope I opened it in the right section.
My question is about silver prices.
I have done some mild investing in it and normally the price goes up and down like normal. Only this week the graph is as flat as a pancake. The price had been dropping considerably, but all this week it seems the price has been frozen. Of course if you do a search on the interwebs all you get is BUY, BUY, BUY, and other websites that hit you with popups and / or want your email address to actually give you an answer. I get enough spam already, so no thanks.

Then I remembered this place, and all the very intelligent people I met here, so why not ask here? True, most people only come here to fight and bicker, but those that come here to actually discuss situations are truly blessed with great insight and knowledge. It is you of whom I seek to answer this perplexing question.

Thank you.



The price of everything is determined by supply and demand.Pretty simple.
 
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